venomballistics
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Grams are occasionally used in shotshell reloading to denote shot charge its fairly rare as most shot charges are in oz.
grains vs grams
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Waywatcher
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There are 7000 grains in a pound; and
454 grams in a pound (approximately.)
Grams are a metric unit of mass, while grains are an avoirdupois unit of weight.
454 grams in a pound (approximately.)
Grams are a metric unit of mass, while grains are an avoirdupois unit of weight.
OKAY, OKAY, O K A Y!
For those who do not read the all the posts and just wanna be picky.
The scale that I got for $9 is the SAME scale that is sold by several of the brand name reloaders. The only difference is that
they sell theirs for $34+! So, what is the difference? $25! in my pocket.
The scale is VERY accurate, in Grams, Carrots, lettuce wedges, and GRAINS!
It is not the only scale, just a good deal.
Oh yeah, the one who whipped out the Avoir Dupois reference, you can crawl back under the stinky French cheese and stay there. ick.
I kinda feel bad that I put out the request for information, even though I said good and bad.
WOW! y'all need to just back it down a notch!
Just my opinion,
Chuck
For those who do not read the all the posts and just wanna be picky.
The scale that I got for $9 is the SAME scale that is sold by several of the brand name reloaders. The only difference is that
they sell theirs for $34+! So, what is the difference? $25! in my pocket.
The scale is VERY accurate, in Grams, Carrots, lettuce wedges, and GRAINS!
It is not the only scale, just a good deal.
Oh yeah, the one who whipped out the Avoir Dupois reference, you can crawl back under the stinky French cheese and stay there. ick.
I kinda feel bad that I put out the request for information, even though I said good and bad.
WOW! y'all need to just back it down a notch!
Just my opinion,
Chuck
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For pistols and revolvers, powder charge weights and bullet (projectile) weights are expressed as GRAINS, abbreviated "gr."
Some will abbreviate gram as "gm", however, the SI correct abbreviation for "gram" is "g." This avoids a transposition error in medical usage where "gm" could be transposed as "mg," which means milligram, which could result in a dosage increase by a factor of 1,000.
Some will abbreviate gram as "gm", however, the SI correct abbreviation for "gram" is "g." This avoids a transposition error in medical usage where "gm" could be transposed as "mg," which means milligram, which could result in a dosage increase by a factor of 1,000.
avoirdupois weights were adopted in an early version in England in the 1300s. Queen Elizabeth changed the numbers and her system was that used in the American colonies. It is still used relatively unchanged in the United States today, and avoirdupois is the correct name of the US System today.
In 1824 England made a major revision to the system, which the US did not folow.
Since then, the rest of the world has changed to the SI version of the metric system while the United States continues to use the 18th century Elizabethan avoirdupois system of weights. Ironically, the US calibration weight is now defined in terms of the SI standard kilogram. And any school child in the rest of the world can convert metric tons to grams in his head, while the average American can't convert tons to grains without a calculator and a table of conversion factors!
One of the first thing science majors learn is the metric system, so they can do science calculations without getting bogged down in outdated, irrational units. And what exactly is a poundal?
In 1824 England made a major revision to the system, which the US did not folow.
Since then, the rest of the world has changed to the SI version of the metric system while the United States continues to use the 18th century Elizabethan avoirdupois system of weights. Ironically, the US calibration weight is now defined in terms of the SI standard kilogram. And any school child in the rest of the world can convert metric tons to grams in his head, while the average American can't convert tons to grains without a calculator and a table of conversion factors!
One of the first thing science majors learn is the metric system, so they can do science calculations without getting bogged down in outdated, irrational units. And what exactly is a poundal?
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Titegroups
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The grams and grains thing shouldnt even be a discussion. Buy some reloading books and read them.
Nframecollector
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437.5 grains per ounce. 7000 grains in a pound!
Cdog
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I ain't interested in trusting my or my firearm's welfare to any bargain basement no name digital scale.
To each his own...
To each his own...
It is the same scale that Winchester, or Hogdon, or Remington sells with their name stamped on it.
I'm just not the RUBE who wastes money on brand names where I dont need to.
I really appreciate those who CONTRIBUTE to this forum, I really do. We ALL have to put up with the contributions of the great unwashed and filter it accordingly.
To me this is very serious, I have my answers, they were not OBVIOUS before, now they are.
On other subjects I think humor and jocularity would fit. But not this time.
keep ya powder dry and be safe.
Chuck
Like the old triple beam that was used back in the 70's? Got one here somewhere. Nah those were Grams, and Kilos. hehe
Chuck
Nope, a dedicated reloading scale. A beam type scale made specifically for reloading; weighing gun powder and bullets in grains...
Or was it drams?
Titegroups
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Anyone here hear of winchester or remington reloading equipment? I dont thimk hogdgon makes any either. Just because someone is calling a chinese made scale a reloding scale doesnt make it an actual reloading scale. Buy a quality scale its crucial. A tenth of a grain is 1/70000th of a pound, a slight breeze from a celing fan will screw your readings all up if it's sensitive enough, a single grain is a large measurement when you are loading 4g of powder.
I thimk if you search Amazon, you'll find a Hogdon scale that is exactly like the one I bought.
So I guess by your post, Hogdon doesn't know a good scale?
Look my original post was to confirm grains over grams. I got that, now you continue to split hairs on something that was never the point of the post. Yes I added Remington and Win as examples of other companies who put their name on stuff to charge more than its worth.
I got a deal on a scale that weighs grains, the same scale that RELOADING POWDER MANUFACTURER PUT THEIR NAME ON.
I also have a Lee beam balance. They can cross check weight on each other if I want. But that is just what I thimk.
If that doesnt get it, reread post #23.
Chuck
So I guess by your post, Hogdon doesn't know a good scale?
Look my original post was to confirm grains over grams. I got that, now you continue to split hairs on something that was never the point of the post. Yes I added Remington and Win as examples of other companies who put their name on stuff to charge more than its worth.
I got a deal on a scale that weighs grains, the same scale that RELOADING POWDER MANUFACTURER PUT THEIR NAME ON.
I also have a Lee beam balance. They can cross check weight on each other if I want. But that is just what I thimk.
If that doesnt get it, reread post #23.
Chuck
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First; buy a proper reloading scale. Doing the math is going to cost you an eye or a gun. Typ powder charges for handgun loads are quite small & some powders go from safe to over pressure in as little as 0.5 grains.
Second, you can't weight something that says it weighs a certain weight, unless you have a cert scale. Even then, jut because the box says 36 grains, the bullet could weigh +/- 0.5gr.
So get a proper scale, also go back & read the reloading sections in your manual. SOunds like you skipped something. If your gun & body parts are only worth $9, then I guess a $9 scale will do. Me, I like all my guns & most of my body parts. There are no cheap/good digital scales. Weighing bullets means nothing. Check that cheap scale with a certified check weight. I live in SoCal, pm me, mail me something & I will weigh it on my Dillon. It is checked w/ cert wts every 4m or so.
Second, you can't weight something that says it weighs a certain weight, unless you have a cert scale. Even then, jut because the box says 36 grains, the bullet could weigh +/- 0.5gr.
So get a proper scale, also go back & read the reloading sections in your manual. SOunds like you skipped something. If your gun & body parts are only worth $9, then I guess a $9 scale will do. Me, I like all my guns & most of my body parts. There are no cheap/good digital scales. Weighing bullets means nothing. Check that cheap scale with a certified check weight. I live in SoCal, pm me, mail me something & I will weigh it on my Dillon. It is checked w/ cert wts every 4m or so.
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Waywatcher
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I searched Google and Amazon for Hodgdon scale, Winchester scale, and Remington scale, but I couldn't find it.
Could you post a link to where you found it?
Cdog
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Yes, what you say is true.
You also went on to brag about what a value you had found in a $9.00 digital scale for for loading potential bombs.
When you put it out there, it will be commented on. Some may be proud of your choice, others may think you it's your money and your firearms?
You make your posts and you take your chances.
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