3X magnifier, integrated red dot
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cjt50
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This is the only one I have ever seen in person;
Mueller Speed Shot 1-4x24 » Mueller Optics
Not a bad set up, dot is etched, so if the battery dies you still have a black dot to work with.
Mueller Speed Shot 1-4x24 » Mueller Optics
Not a bad set up, dot is etched, so if the battery dies you still have a black dot to work with.
batmann
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Second the Burris AR 332. I have one on my M&P 15 and it is a great optic.
Dikinalaska
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cjt50
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Neither are reflex sights. Both have etched reticles and are telescopic optics with a dot as part of it.
I have an asytigmatism (sp) and the etched reticle dots are always crisp. Reflex dot sights always look look like a cluster of grapes. So optic sights work best for me.
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I have the same eye issues.
I do use a combination of red dots and telescopic sights (have both on my 15-22) depending up on which firearm and the intended use.
Vortex, at least at one time, made a red dot that came with a screw in 2 or 3X magnifier.
deeds21
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Both the Vortex Sparc and Strikefire have screw in 2x magnifiers.
Dikinalaska
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Vinney47
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Well... that's the problem. Red Dot sights aren't magnified. In order to give the advantages they do, they can't be. If you add in magnification, they become telescopic and you lose the ability to use it with both eyes open, unlimited eye relief and your natural field of view.
So, what the OP wants doesn't exists or he wants a low power scope with an illuminated reticle.
I agree on the magnification aspect.
It is entirely possible to make a true red dot with magnification. It involves having the red dot portion in front of the telescope portion just like the vortex models (or the seperately mounted magnifiers made for a variety of red dot models.)
The two telescopic sights (mentioned earlier in the thread) have the telescope objective lense at the front of the optical assembly, ahead of the "dot" reticle. That means the rear eyepiece, whch is used to magnify the image produced by the objective is also focused on the dot.
The dot is no longer "floating" in air due to it being "projected" on the reflective surface as in the typical red dot (reflex) design.
Dikinalaska
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So with the Strikefire, along with other true red dots, I know I can look at it from any angle and wherever the dot is is still where your going to hit. Does what you stated above mean that telescopic optics like the 332 won't do that? I mean do you have to be looking at it from directly behind it in line? I haven't gotten to use the 332 yet, as I bought it the day before I came back to work out of town.
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Vinney47
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Just to be clear about everything: A red dot (reflex) sight is not magnified. The advantage of this is that you can use it with both eyes open (which means you don't lose peripheral vision/depth perception). There is no "focal point" so that where ever the dot is, that is the point of impact (assuming it's been zeroed correctly) and no eye relief or specific spot your eye has to be in relation to the optic aside from being able to see the reticle.
If you add magnification, there MUST be a focal point. There becomes a limited area in which the view through the optic is beneficial - you're eye must be positioned behind the tube at a certain distance or things are blurry/unusable by your eye. You can only achieve a clear sight picture with one eye open. There is NO WAY to avoid this when you add magnification. The benefit is that the sight picture you do get is enhanced, good for precision and longer distance shots.
This is why so many of the set ups involve a separate red dot optic combined with a separate magnifier. Flip in the magnifier when you want the "zoom", flip it out of the way when you want the "heads up" view of the red dot alone.
Edit: If you prefer the magnification along with the look of the dot as your reticle (as opposed to the cross hairs of traditional scopes) then there are options in the ACOG and other optics based on the ACOG principle. The reticle is lighted like in a red dot, and you have the magnification. But it functions like a scope, with (depending on opinion) and improved sight picture and/or easier view to acquire target - albeit with one eye closed and the other positioned directly behind the optic at a specific distance.
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Dikinalaska
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Here's another alternative, if your budget is tight . . . .
Accushot 30mm 1-4.5X28 Circle Dot CQB Scope w/Glass IE Reticle & Lever Lock QD Rings
Leapers, Inc. - Hunting/Shooting, Sporting Goods and Security Gear
Leapers 30mm 1-4.5x28 Circle Dot CQB Riflescope FREE S&H SCP3-145IECDQ. Leapers Rifle Scopes.
Accushot 30mm 1-4.5X28 Circle Dot CQB Scope w/Glass IE Reticle & Lever Lock QD Rings
Leapers, Inc. - Hunting/Shooting, Sporting Goods and Security Gear
Leapers 30mm 1-4.5x28 Circle Dot CQB Riflescope FREE S&H SCP3-145IECDQ. Leapers Rifle Scopes.
Thanks for your input. My Burris 332 arrived today and it's just what I was looking for. The 3X is very clear and the dot is small enough for precision long range shooting. The CQC reticle is large and bright enough that I can keep both eyes open when acquiring close targets. Eye relief is very good.
My M&P Sport has a Burris reflex sight which is fuzzy and covers the whole bullseye at 100 yards. My eyes aren't what they used to be, so I need magnification. My .22 had a 4X scope, but I wanted both my .22 and .556 to have the same optics. The Burris 332 has a ballistic bullet drop reticle configured to the .556 round which would make it perfect for my AR. I will definitely buy another for my AR. I picked it up on Ebay for $285 which I thought was very reasonable.
Without your input I would have never known about the Burris 332. Thanks again.
My M&P Sport has a Burris reflex sight which is fuzzy and covers the whole bullseye at 100 yards. My eyes aren't what they used to be, so I need magnification. My .22 had a 4X scope, but I wanted both my .22 and .556 to have the same optics. The Burris 332 has a ballistic bullet drop reticle configured to the .556 round which would make it perfect for my AR. I will definitely buy another for my AR. I picked it up on Ebay for $285 which I thought was very reasonable.
Without your input I would have never known about the Burris 332. Thanks again.
Dikinalaska
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http://www.burrisoptics.com/ar332.html
Here you go, there's some really good info on bullet-specific drop. I got it bookmarked for when I get home. Hope it helps.
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Here you go, there's some really good info on bullet-specific drop. I got it bookmarked for when I get home. Hope it helps.
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Jeffro57
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What distance are you guys shooting your .22's at? The 332 looks great for a larger caliber (.223) rifle, but I'm not sure I need to be able to shoot 300 yards with my 15-22. Is there a reticle for rimfire available for it?
Vinney47
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I think they have them, but they are for very specific loads, such as the Nikon ProStaff Rimfire - calibrated for a 1600 FPS load.
Nikon Prostaff Rimfire Rifle Scope 3-9x 40mm BDC 150 Reticle Matte
If you look at the picture of just the reticle, it indicates a Muzzle Velocity MV of 1600 FPS, but gets good reviews using different ammo anyway. Might be worth a shot if you're real serious into .22lr and want that kind of help on your reticle.
