Smooth frame Glock

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I know these come up now and then because I passed on one a year or so ago, but not this time. Circa 1988 Gen1 Glock 17 with tupper-ware box and two mags.
Haven't shot it yet but it appears to be fired very little and the slide has been changed out so there is no original operating 'black' parts that were involved in the recall years ago.
 

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The old 'slick-grip'....from back in the day when you could get any Glock you wanted as long as it was black and 9mm...only Glock pistol made then...the mighty G17.

I think 1988 was the year they came out with the G19 compact and the gen.2 Glocks were born. Could still get any Glock you wanted as long as it was black and 9mm....
 
G-17

I have a first gen 17 that I bought in 88 ......I have shot it a lot, trained with it and instructed with it since then.....of all the pistols I own and shoot I have shot this one the most with a documented 200,000 rds of HB and JHP's thru the pistol.....only thing I have ever done to the gun is replace the night sights four different times since 88 , replace a trigger pin that I discovered was in two pieces when I detailed the gun once & occasionally field strip it and clean it....the slide has virtually no finish on the sides after thousands and thousands of presentation drills.....still carry it, shoot it regularly and it is what I qualify with for my LEOSA cred's. Still use it as my mainstay when instructing pistol classes. Normally carry it in a IWB Milt Sparks or a Raven for OWB.
 
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I've still got my original Gen 1 Glock 17. I know because I was looking thru a drawer for an old school certificate and found it today!
I shot it in IPSC and 3-Gun competitions. I have about 30,000 rounds thru it.
It has had some "tuning" done and a 3.5lb trigger in it.
Those old guns would run forever and eat anything you fed it.
 
Why Glock insists on finger grooves on the Gen 3+ pistols is beyond me.

Congrats on your 17G1!

The only Glocks I've owned, a 22 and a 19 (long gone) were both second generation, and the plain grips sans finger grooves suited me very well. Typical finger grooves just don't fit my hands well, partly because my fingers are somewhat twisted by arthritis.

I liked both guns, but sold them due to fiscal anemia.
 
As crazy as it sounds there is really a market for early Glocks. Especially the Gen 1 19s which will easily bring over $1k. Fewer than 200 were mfg'd in late 1988 I believe and most if those were bought by the Kansas City board of Alcohol and Bev Control and were marked so on the slides.
 
I love my early Gen1 G-17L. I did put a couple of tiny strips of non-skid tape low on the backstrap for the heel of my hand. other than that, the early frame is fine for me.
 
Yes and no on SNs as they still mfg Gen 3s even though Gen4s have been around 5+ years. This is partly because Gen4s are illegal in CA.

Gen 1s were mfg'd from 1983-88/very early 89 (1st U.S. Imports were early '86) and were mfg'd as the 17, 17L, and a very small # of 19s and have the pebble grain wrap-around texture on frame, thin "pencil" barrel, no rail. It is estimated that fewer than 200 Gen 1 19s were made and most were purchased by the Kansas City Dept of Alcohol and Bev Control and are marked as such on the slides.

Gen 2s were mfg'd from 1989-98 and were mfg'd as the 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26 and 27 (though these "baby Glocks" are sometimes called Gen 2.5 as they had thumb grooves in frame), 31, 32, and 33 (also sometimes called Gen 2.5). These guns have checkering on front and back strap of PG (unlike Gen 1), no rail, or thumb groove with the exception of the 26, 27, and 33 subcompacts. Also- there was a small overlap late in Gen 2 production that was kind-of a transition and a Gen 2 would have a thumb groove in frame like a Gen 3 but no rail. If you've see. Hickok45s vid on YouTube his earlier Glock 21 is one of these. Gen 2s had a 2-pin frame with the exception of some of the 40s and 357s which required 3. The Gen2/3 overlap occurs in the CXX-SN range during the middle of 1998.

Gen 3- 1998-present. Mfg'd in all models with the exception of the newer 41, 42, and 43. Thumb groove in frame, accessory rail, finder grooves on PG. From 2008-late 2010 they offered an RTF2 (Rough Textured Finish #2) frame that some felt was too aggressive on the skin so they went away from it. Additionally many of these RTF2s had "fish gill" slide serrations where they serrations were angled instead of straight up and down. The RTF2 option was offered in the 17 and 22 (most commonly), 19, 21SF (short frame version of the 21), 23, 31, and 32. RTF2 was phased out around fall 2010 although the Larry Vickers limited edition 17s and 19s have the RTF2 frame. Gen 3 saw the intro of the 29, 30, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, and 39.

Gen 4- Introduced at SHOT show in Jan. 2010 frame has a modified RTF finish that isn't as aggressive as the RTF2. Interchangeable backstraps, tell-tale "Gen4" on slide, "MBS" stamped on slide indicating Multiple Backstrap System. All models are manufactured in Gen4 with the exception of the Glock 36, 37, 38, and 39. Gen4s have the 2-piece recoil spring assembly (like all the subcompacts have) to allegedly dampen felt recoil.

Sometime between 2007-10 they went away from the Tenifer finishing process (Tenifer is NOT a finish) and there have been wide variances in the finish ever since from the smooth dark "frying pan" finish that has the texture of a cured skillet to the chalk board finish that is light gray and tends to skuff easily.

I'm likely forgetting some things but in a nutshell those are the differences. As far as collectibility goes, the Gen 1s have become collectible particularly the 19s as they're remarkably rare. The Gen 2 357s are kind-of collectible as well as they were intro'd very late into Gen 2 production and there weren't very many made before the Gen 3 transition. Gen 2 357s were marked "357 SIG" and early 40s, "40SW" before Glock dropped the company names of SIG and S&W from their slides.
 
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I have an early 17 and a later one with a rail.
What is the method used for determining the difference between the generations?
Serial numbers?

I'm not a Glock expert but the difference in the frames tell the generation story:
Gen 1 - Smooth frame (as pictured)
Gen 2 - Grip smooth on the flat but textured on the front and back strap
Gen 3 - Finger grooves on the front strap and light rail on the slide
Gen 4 - Will say Gen 4 on the Slide. Comes with interchangeable back straps on the later ones.

There were also some internal changes such as recoil spring, etc. But there are several web sites that are dedicated to Glock that details all of the above.
 
Why Glock insists on finger grooves on the Gen 3+ pistols is beyond me.

Congrats on your 17G1!
Yep those are love it or hate it. I'm indifferent to them. They don't get in my way but if they were not there I wouldn't notice.

OP, I have a Gen2 G19 with Austrian proofs
 
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Collectable Glocks? Now I've heard it all. :rolleyes:;) I'll stick with my Gen 4. :D

Many prefer older Glocks not as a collectable, but because they like their specific traits and find them to be of better quality than the Gen 4's. The durability, reliability and quality of the earlier Gen 3 Glocks in particular was unmatched IMO(although I'd not miss the finger grooves), but over the last few years, there have been frequent problems and complaints, especially with the Gen 4 models.
 
Down here in Glock country the Gen. 1 guns are referred to as "pebble frames" due to the texture. Lots of people like them for the novelty, and will pay a premium IF the internals are original, mags and box are original, and the frames have not been altered.

I own a Gen. 2 Glock 17 that is original except for the sights and mag springs. I bought it back in April and took it to Glock, Inc. to get the sights replaced. The service tech offered to buy it from me.

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