Bail Enforcement

I think it comes down to how you use your badge or present yourself. That being said, even if you display a "non-LEO badge" and don't present yourself as a LEO, I will still think you're a "tool". I mean, if you're a security guard and are working, then that is one thing. If you're wearing a CCW badge and going about your business, I'll probably just think of a sarcastic comment in my head and go about my business.

When I am off duty, I keep my badge and credentials in a leather case, separate from my front pocket wallet. I really don't want anybody to know I'm a LEO unless a situation occurs where I need to let people know I am a LEO. I try to be a very low key person off duty.
 
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I'm NY state so this might not be true all over. A couple of my cop buddies have told me that only LEO badges have a number on them. So if you get a quick look at a badge and no number its not that important. I have seen a bunch of security type badges and ones like building inspector, water department and they have no numbers on them.

Found that out years back when we had a man walking around flashing tin saying he was a "investigator" and asking all sorts of questions of people in my neighborhood. His badge had no number and he did a lighting fast "showing " of the badge and would not give my wife a good look. She asked him twice to show the badge slowly.

He walked away and she called the cop shop and the real LEOs came up and took the person away. He was down a couple more houses and they arrested him Never heard no more about that situation!

That may be the rule for official issue, but that doesn't mean yer average ex-con can't go online and order up a badge with a number on it.

I just went and checked and Gall's still has custom badges for sale, you can fill in the blanks with whatever you want & they'll sell it to you.

Blackinton's Design-a-Badge at Galls


Come to think of it, maybe I'll get one to go with my State of Jefferson BORDER PATROL hat.

Or the t-shirt I got at Walmart that says CTU. :p
 
The other night, I couldn't sleep and woke up around 3 AM (usually get up about 4:30), so I turned on "Dog the Bounty Hunter" for a laugh. They were charging into people's houses looking for a felon (without permission) and telling the people they were going to arrest them if they found the culprit there.

Sometimes, I think I only watch it to see them go into the wrong house unannounced!==I do notice they are more careful when entering property in Colorado, than Hawaii.

BTW: I watch about once every 3 months, so I expect I'll never see them get their due!
 
wanta-bee's yes...I mean really...think about it..what purpose would a cc badge serve...you got it...none.....but I am sure there are persons who cc who can not be LE but wanted so bad to be LE that the badge is their pacifier and makes them feel somehow special.....

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In my area, most bail agents are just a step above the felons they're hunting, even ran across one or two felons working as bail agents in my career. One in particular I did arrest, he not only had a prior felony conviction, he posed as an INS agent and threatened deportation to a woman and kids while looking for her brother.

Too bad for him that she was already naturalized and wasn't intimidated at all. She lived in my patrol ward and often acted as a translator for me and my partners, she dropped a dime on him toot sweet. We notified the feds of his actions and they picked him up the second he bonded out of the county lockup. Who says law enforcement can't be fun? :D

As to the original question, here it would depend on how they portrayed themselves. If they in any way indicated they were sworn law enforcement, they'd be cuffed and stuffed. Misdemeanor, but as the old saying goes, you may beat the rap but you can't beat the ride.
 
In my area, most bail agents are just a step above the felons they're hunting, even ran across one or two felons working as bail agents in my career. One in particular I did arrest, he not only had a prior felony conviction, he posed as an INS agent and threatened deportation to a woman and kids while looking for her brother.

Too bad for him that she was already naturalized and wasn't intimidated at all. She lived in my patrol ward and often acted as a translator for me and my partners, she dropped a dime on him toot sweet. We notified the feds of his actions and they picked him up the second he bonded out of the county lockup. Who says law enforcement can't be fun? :D

As to the original question, here it would depend on how they portrayed themselves. If they in any way indicated they were sworn law enforcement, they'd be cuffed and stuffed. Misdemeanor, but as the old saying goes, you may beat the rap but you can't beat the ride.

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One of my favorite cop quotes is "We may only catch the dumb ones, but we sure catch a lot of 'em."

I've interacted with a few "bounty hunters" and I'm on record as stating that, even more so than repossessors, they tend to be cannibalistic scumbags.
 
Mass. doesn't have bail enforcement agents because we don't have bail bondsmen.

Bail in MA is cash or surety (deed or similar) and is managed by the courts. During court hours bail is remitted to the court directly. At least that is my understanding, someone involved in the courts may have a better understanding.

After hours, the clerk magistrate or other designee is on call to handle bail arrangements. They come to the police station, assess and collect bail, plus a fee for coming out that they get to keep.

Even if someone is released on personal recognizance they have to pay the Clerk Magistrate fee, in cash.

The Clerk Magistrate can decline to come out in the middle of the night, in which case the prisoner is held until arraignment in the morning.

If someone defaults, then a default warrant is issued and the court keeps the bail.

Some people complain that bails in MA are low, but if the bail is $5,000.00, you have to come up with that money. You can't go to a bail bondsman and pay 10% of the bail.

It's an unique system.
 
The other night, I couldn't sleep and woke up around 3 AM (usually get up about 4:30), so I turned on "Dog the Bounty Hunter" for a laugh. They were charging into people's houses looking for a felon (without permission) and telling the people they were going to arrest them if they found the culprit there.

Sometimes, I think I only watch it to see them go into the wrong house unannounced!==I do notice they are more careful when entering property in Colorado, than Hawaii.

BTW: I watch about once every 3 months, so I expect I'll never see them get their due!

Never could make it through a full episode. Did they ever shoot their paint ball guns at anyone? Only bumped into a bail bondsman from the South once. We were pretty much advised to stay away and we did. WI doesn't use a bail bond system so it isn't a topic that came up very often.

Anyway, I see the guys have their badges but the ladies seem to have them hidden...I will keep looking...:D
 

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Interesting reading....

This is a subject that I know little about except what's on TV.

Turns out that this is mostly civil matter of skipping bail, not criminal cases. It's people that catch up with people like me that don't want to go to trial after I"ve posted bail, not the rugged individual bringing desperados in dead or alive. And since it's the bail companies that are responsible for the entire bail, it's THEM that want to find a person to keep from losing the whole wad.
 
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Here in Texas. Bounty hunters have a strict requirements and rules. 1, must be a license peace officer, 2, a license private investigator or 3 license armed security.
I never watch any of the bounty hunter shows. I always thought they were stupid. There was this one movie I scene that I thought was really stupid. I think it was Condemn 2 Well, it started off with a team of bounty hunters loading automatic weapons, explosives and one team member was a sniper. I thought that was crazy! They are civilians, not cops. They cant barge into private property, and they cant kill anyone. If they kill there mark, then they wont get paid and they will be stuck with legal problems and get black listed. They cant get contracts ever again.

My Dad spent some time with both cops and bounty hunters. Some of the bail enforcement guys was ex cops according to my Dad. My Dad had nothing bad to say about them. But nothing good ether. Except one hunter my Dad knew that hated the trade because of the people they deal with from both sides of the law. But he has allot to say about the police he knew. Some was really really good. Other give the police a bad name. Now there was this one repo guy my Dad knew that ripped off a Navy Seal. I bet y'all can guess how that ended. lol
 
Here in Texas. Bounty hunters have a strict requirements and rules. 1, must be a license peace officer, 2, a license private investigator or 3 license armed security.
I never watch any of the bounty hunter shows. I always thought they were stupid. There was this one movie I scene that I thought was really stupid. I think it was Condemn 2 Well, it started off with a team of bounty hunters loading automatic weapons, explosives and one team member was a sniper. I thought that was crazy! They are civilians, not cops. They cant barge into private property, and they cant kill anyone. If they kill there mark, then they wont get paid and they will be stuck with legal problems and get black listed. They cant get contracts ever again.

My Dad spent some time with both cops and bounty hunters. Some of the bail enforcement guys was ex cops according to my Dad. My Dad had nothing bad to say about them. But nothing good ether. Except one hunter my Dad knew that hated the trade because of the people they deal with from both sides of the law. But he has allot to say about the police he knew. Some was really really good. Other give the police a bad name. Now there was this one repo guy my Dad knew that ripped off a Navy Seal. I bet y'all can guess how that ended. lol

It's good to know that there are at least some controls out there. I never looked into it as far as CA laws, but given the way The State regulates everything from tow truck drivers to hairdressers, I imagine there's some regs in place.

Around here, becoming a licensed armed security officer is as easy as paying the fees and not being a complete maroon in the class and on the range. I went through the armed course years ago, and if you realize you can't shoot people for shoplifting, and you can keep your shots anywhere on a B-27 at 7 yards, you'll be class valedictorian.

I also had one boss who, in addition to owning a repo company, was a licensed P.I. Turns out I was qualified and could've got a P.I. license, but there was little money in it and no glory. The job is about evenly split between sitting in your vehicle for 20 hours a day, paperwork, and trying to scare up business.


I'm curious as to how the repo guy ripped off the Navy guy, did he steal property out of a repo'd vehicle? What did the Navy guy do, go to small claims court and emerge victorious?

Cuz if you mean the repo guy repo'd a vehicle from the Navy guy, that's not ripping off someone, that's taking the property back to the owner, from the person that's trying to steal it. And if you mean the Navy guy used physical force against the repo guy to retain his ill-gotten goods, that's stone-cold criminal behavior and he belongs in jail.
 
I live and work in a country where the carriage of firearms, other than by police and military, is illegal. Firearms ownership is licensed. Pistols can only be owned if you hold a club or collectors license and club licensed pistols can only be loaded and fired on registered ranges operated by a recognised pistol club. (Collectors pistols may never even be loaded with live ammunition let alone fired).

Ownership of rifles and shotguns is easier, you only have to sit a safety test and complete a background and security check, but the carriage in public is restricted to "lawful, sufficient and proper purpose". Self defence is neither lawful, sufficient or proper, even on private property. Public carriage and display of a replica or even a realistic toy gun is punishable by 3 months prison, so the only people here with guns in public are either police or criminals. That makes it easy for me to determine if and when I can justify drawing my firearms on duty.

But in an area where concealed carry is permitted, I can see an advantage in having some form of easily recognised ID on hand. If you are legally justified in drawing and shooting a CCW pistol a visible badge may make responding cops think twice before just shooting on sight of the gun. A badge may just mean the difference between arresting the bad guy and shooting the good one.

The problem of course is the gun carriers attitude. I know security guards who carry a 6 C-cell mag light in daylight hours to use as their "baton" (an ASP or PR24 is an "offensive weapon in this country if carried in public) who I would not trust with a BB gun.

As for TV. Well I only watch those shows I know are not "real life" and which I can laugh at. Those so called "reality" shows I don't even tune into. (Not even the ones I and my colleagues appear in).
 
I live and work in a country where the carriage of firearms, other than by police and military, is illegal. Firearms ownership is licensed. Pistols can only be owned if you hold a club or collectors license and club licensed pistols can only be loaded and fired on registered ranges operated by a recognised pistol club. (Collectors pistols may never even be loaded with live ammunition let alone fired).

Ownership of rifles and shotguns is easier, you only have to sit a safety test and complete a background and security check, but the carriage in public is restricted to "lawful, sufficient and proper purpose". Self defence is neither lawful, sufficient or proper, even on private property. Public carriage and display of a replica or even a realistic toy gun is punishable by 3 months prison, so the only people here with guns in public are either police or criminals. That makes it easy for me to determine if and when I can justify drawing my firearms on duty.

But in an area where concealed carry is permitted, I can see an advantage in having some form of easily recognised ID on hand. If you are legally justified in drawing and shooting a CCW pistol a visible badge may make responding cops think twice before just shooting on sight of the gun. A badge may just mean the difference between arresting the bad guy and shooting the good one.

The problem of course is the gun carriers attitude. I know security guards who carry a 6 C-cell mag light in daylight hours to use as their "baton" (an ASP or PR24 is an "offensive weapon in this country if carried in public) who I would not trust with a BB gun.

As for TV. Well I only watch those shows I know are not "real life" and which I can laugh at. Those so called "reality" shows I don't even tune into. (Not even the ones I and my colleagues appear in).


"Self defence is neither lawful, sufficient or proper, even on private property".

WOW ! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Criminals must love that place.
 
Wouldn't bother me to see a "bail enforcement agent" trying to look as much like a cop as reasonably possible. It would probably lessen the chances of someone getting hurt if the absconder thought they were the police. In fact, I think people trying to arrest a bail absconder have MORE "authority", in some ways, than cops.
 
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