From the Sig Forum....P320 fails drop testing..orders being cancelled

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Well there have been a hell of a lot more people shot from ND's with Glocks, than Sigs dropping. How many dropped Sig AD's has there been?

So you're comparing negligent people who shouldn't handle a firearm with a firearm that comes with a flaw from the factory?


Next you will ask "well how many people died driving Dodge caravans that got into accidents compared to the number of people died due to Ford pinto gas tanks exploding"
 
It seems like the greatest contributing factor to the accidental discharges when the pistol is dropped is the actual weight of the trigger (the part). The inertia causes the trigger to continue to the rear far enough to cause the pistol to discharge when dropped onto a hard surface at a 30 degree angle, where the slide and the beavertail of the grip module are impacted nearly at the same time. Apparently no standard testing includes dropping pistols at this angle. This appears to be a flaw in the testing protocols. Some Sig P320's don't have the curved trigger and they are of lighter weight. These models with the lighter weight trigger part don't seem to be subject to this malady. The military M-17, although similar to the P320, isn't exactly the same and apparently isn't subject to this problem. Sig's "voluntary upgrade" will involve sending the complete firearm back to Sig for a replacement of the trigger and a modification of the grip module. The bad part of all of this is that there are claims that Sig has known for a very long time (at least a year) that the P320 with curved triggers were subject to this. I don't know if any of those rumors have been actually proven though. It wouldn't surprise me, because many other firearm manufacturers in the past, including Glock have denied problems with their products. This has worked in the past, but with today's rapid information highway, it may not work for Sig. Time will tell. More than likely, as P320 owners get back their guns with the "voluntary upgrades" and the passage of time, this will blow over.
 
So the OP was mostly right after all. Even though alot of people here don't want to acknowledge there's an issue, Sig has.
They are the responsible party.

No fanboy here of any manufacturer, I look at the truth. Defective/poorly engineered guns/hammers/refrigerators/shoes, etc have been produced since day one.
 
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So the OP was mostly right after all. Even though alot of people here don't want to acknowledge there's an issue, Sig has.
They are the responsible party.

No fanboy here of any manufacturer, I look at the truth. Defective/poorly engineered guns/hammers/refrigerators/shoes, etc have been produced since day one.
One question regarding Sig, seems to be just how long ago did they know about the issue? Some folks are mighty angry about the possibility of Sig continuing to manufacture firearms where they knew that there was a specific problem. One thing in Sig's favor is that there have been so few reported accidents with the Sig P320 pistols. If the problem was known (and it may have well not been known) it might not have been a big priority with Sig's decisions. That, in hindsight, would have been a very bad decision as things now stand.
 
Forrestinmathews told of a friend who got a great deal on a new Sig P320. He slapped the friend on the back to congratulate him and the gun went off.

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"IMO a Glock would be a much better weapon with a thumb safety. "
There are such aftermarket safties available, but not from Glock. Glock does (or did) make some pistols having external safeties for sales in those countries having such a requirement. And in fact the earliest Glocks made for the Austrian Army had external safeties.
 
So you're comparing negligent people who shouldn't handle a firearm with a firearm that comes with a flaw from the factory?


Next you will ask "well how many people died driving Dodge caravans that got into accidents compared to the number of people died due to Ford pinto gas tanks exploding"

Has anybody been shot by dropping a Sig P320?

I think there is every bit of relevance, one has not happened apparently outside a garage lab. The other happens continually due to Glock's required trigger pull for breakdown. Which the injuries have been many.

BTW Jennings was successfully sued for the same issue for breakdown. It put them out of business.
 
Has anybody been shot by dropping a Sig P320?

I think there is every bit of relevance, one has not happened apparently outside a garage lab. The other happens continually due to Glock's required trigger pull for breakdown. Which the injuries have been many.

BTW Jennings was successfully sued for the same issue for breakdown. It put them out of business.

Yes, in January a cop was putting stuff in his vehicle and dropped his holstered P320. It went off and shot him in the knee. He has a lawsuit pending. It didn't make the news until this controversy came up. I suspect nobody believed him. I believe the history is giving earlier in this thread (or in another thread on this forum).
 
Yes, in January a cop was putting stuff in his vehicle and dropped his holstered P320. It went off and shot him in the knee. He has a lawsuit pending. It didn't make the news until this controversy came up. I suspect nobody believed him. I believe the history is giving earlier in this thread (or in another thread on this forum).

One compared to how many Glock instances of ND, and AD's. The facts are that people are human, and make errors, and Glocks have more injuries due to those errors. One the same error that got one company sued out of business.
 
Yes, in January a cop was putting stuff in his vehicle and dropped his holstered P320. It went off and shot him in the knee. He has a lawsuit pending. It didn't make the news until this controversy came up. I suspect nobody believed him. I believe the history is giving earlier in this thread (or in another thread on this forum).
I think although the incident happened in January, the lawsuit was only filed after the Dallas P.D. report in August, 2017...just a few days ago.
 
Well there have been a hell of a lot more people shot from ND's with Glocks, than Sigs dropping. How many dropped Sig AD's has there been?

NDs when cleaning or holstering are not the issue here, so why did Sig mention it? My point is that a supposed professional organisation like Sig needs to stay on topic. Anything else is pointless thrashing on the hook and a pathetic attempt to deflect attention.
 
NDs when cleaning or holstering are not the issue here, so why did Sig mention it? My point is that a supposed professional organisation like Sig needs to stay on topic. Anything else is pointless thrashing on the hook and a pathetic attempt to deflect attention.

Is a gunshot wound not a gun shot wound by a different mistake?
 
NDs when cleaning or holstering are not the issue here, so why did Sig mention it? My point is that a supposed professional organisation like Sig needs to stay on topic. Anything else is pointless thrashing on the hook and a pathetic attempt to deflect attention.
Is a gunshot wound not a gun shot wound by a different mistake?
To walkingwolfs point, I think what he is getting at is both end up with gun shot wounds that are not intentional. Whether it be an ND or AD. It just so happens we call the ones with Glocks ND's and blame the end user but in this case with Sig an AD and blame Sig bc **** happens. But people can't sue for their own negligence even though it can be prevented by a design change. But we expect manufacturers to cover our *** for accidents that may or may not be beyond our control. Who is to say when a firearm falls there is not some negligence involved too? We just have come to expect that all firearms be drop safe with a loaded chamber.
 
With at least a double retention duty holster, how does one's gun fall from the holster?
 
With at least a double retention duty holster, how does one's gun fall from the holster?

It didn't. He was loading gear into a truck, took off his whole gunbelt, dropped that, and the gun fired while in the holster. The round hit him in the knee.
 
It didn't. He was loading gear into a truck, took off his whole gunbelt, dropped that, and the gun fired while in the holster. The round hit him in the knee.

I can almost see dropping a gun, but dropping a whole gun belt. How hard is a gun belt to hang onto? And then all the planets, and stars have to align for the gun to land just right. Not just in a holster, but a holster on a gun belt. And this is the SOLE case of this happening in all the years Sig has produced this gun type.

In the meantime there have been many people shot by ND's, not there ND, but someone else. Hundreds of injuries, and a good number of fatalities.

I prefer the other person who I can't control be carrying a Sig, not a Glock. I own Glocks, but to be honest I don't trust anyone else owning them. Just too many ND's with innocents being hurt.
 
Wait he dropped his whole gun belt with the 320 holstered and it still fell at a -30° angle and fired? Was he holding his belt upside down before he dropped it??? Now I am trying to picture how this happened in my head. I didn't know it fell holstered and on a gun belt...
 
Wait he dropped his whole gun belt with the 320 holstered and it still fell at a -30° angle and fired? Was he holding his belt upside down before he dropped it??? Now I am trying to picture how this happened in my head. I didn't know it fell holstered and on a gun belt...

It would be virtually impossible if the department issued a drop holster. It would hit the belt attachment before it could ever get close to the back of the gun.
 
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