All true. However, it must be said that it will prevent Communism and also do your income taxes. What more could you want?
Kaaskop49
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P.S. Seriously, nice to read something positive about these guns, for a change. Thanks, all.
is a m&p 340 that bad?
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All true. However, it must be said that it will prevent Communism and also do your income taxes. What more could you want?
Kaaskop49
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P.S. Seriously, nice to read something positive about these guns, for a change. Thanks, all.
Not according to the Factory:
As introduced, the factory configured 340PD weighs 11.4 ounces
As introduced, the factory configured 342 weighs 12 ounces
As introduced, the factory configured M&P340 weighs 13.3 ounces
Not too much difference in these 3. After their initial shipments some of these configurations had grip changes that moved the factory weights up or down a bit
Aluminium frame, aluminium cylinder and aluminium barrel sleeve make the 8 shot, Model 317 the lightest factory production J-Frame at 9.9 ounces
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I have a customer that regularly challenges me to shoot my 340PD and he with his 340M&P offhand at 75'-150'. We each shoot a couple of boxes of handloads or factory 38sp usually in three round segments. I have the Crimson Trace LG405 grips and he uses the stock S&W rubber. After one gets unto the rhythm neither of these guns are painful and the challenge of shooting at that distance if great training.
If you want a snubbie to drop in a good pocket holster and literally forget it is there, go for it. If you want a range gun or a dedicated house gun, go for the all steel 640 or a Kimber K6s.
If you want a snubbie to drop in a good pocket holster and literally forget it is there, go for it. If you want a range gun or a dedicated house gun, go for the all steel 640 or a Kimber K6s.
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My problem shooting magnum loads out of lightweight J frames isn't so much pain, but my hand gets the shakes by the third or fourth round. In a self defense situation I doubt you'd have the time to think about it though. For me carrying the little bit of extra weight of a 60 Pro or 640 Pro is well worth the hassle as it makes shooting magnums more palatable.
I shot a friends 340PD, which has a Scandium frame and Titanium cylinder. It was loaded with .357, but I forget the bullet weight. It was very unpleasant to shoot, so I only put 5 rounds through it.
I've owned and shot various J frames since 1978 or so. I'm pretty confident that I know how to shoot a J frame.
A Ergo Delta Grip would probably help, but a lot of people don't like the look of them.
I've owned and shot various J frames since 1978 or so. I'm pretty confident that I know how to shoot a J frame.
A Ergo Delta Grip would probably help, but a lot of people don't like the look of them.
I have the M&P 340 and use it for concealed carry as well. I have put the a set of Crimson Trace on it and had a trigger job done to reduce it to a 5-6 lb pull. That made a world of difference.Range time is fine and I can handle it well. I have shot a few cylinders of 357 thru but stay away from that in favor of38+P. Overall pleased ,
Thanks for the follow-up. Will have to p/u some Golden Sabres since everyone who has mentioned them has liked them. Difficult to find .357 HP ammo here in the valley, tho. May I suggest an inexpensive set of weightlifter's gloves available from WM for about $10 to cover/cushion the web of the hand for range work.
Kaaskop49
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I don't own a titanium revolver built by S&W, but I own one made by brand X.
This is the first time I've seen a reference to 110gr magnums being verboten in titanium guns.
Could you please elaborate? What specifically is the issue with this load in a titanium cylinder?
Smith and Wesson does not manufacture any Titanium revolvers
Smith and Wesson does offer both Stainless and Scandium framed revolvers that have Titanium cylinders.
Warnings or cautions that Smith and Wesson has made for their firearms over the past 15+ years do not translate to Brand-X.
If you want us to give you our experiences with Brand-X you will need to tell us who Brand-X is so we do not guess incorrectly
However, your best course of action is to contact Company-X about what ever firearm you have a concern over.
Smith and Wesson has ALWAYS has a restriction on using 357 Magnum ammunition with projectiles weighing below 129 grains for personal defense in the 2" Scandium framed, Titanium cylinder Model 340 revolvers. This caution has been etched directly into the barrel shroud of the firearm since their introduction in the late 1990s.
The possible failure is that the firearm acts like a kinetic hammer and pulls the 4th or 5th projectile far enough from the case mouth to lock up the cylinder
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OK, it is a Taurus 617Ti.
When I said a "titanium revolver" I meant a titanium cylinder - as I more explicitly said in the last line of my previous post. Sorry for any confusion created by my poor phrasing of my question.
But back to the original question: why specifically does S&W recommend against 110 grain magnums in guns with titanium cylinders?
You responded before I finished my revision above.
I would have guessed that you were talking about one of the Taurus offering, but I like to be sure
BTW, the 617Ti is a Total Titanium firearm from Taurus. You have a Titanium frame, Titanium cylinder and a Titanium barrel shroud with a stainless liner.
Titanium is MUCH heavier than Scandium. The 2" Model 340s in question weigh in at under 12 ounces, your revolver 617Ti hits the scale right at the 20 ounce mark. That is a 65% heavier firearm
The warning has nothing to do with the construction materials. It is a physics issue directly related to weights and recoil
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You are correct on all counts regarding my Taurus. One benefit of the Taurus, which is not only heavier than the J-frame it is slightly larger as well (pretty much a L-frame cylinder in a K-frame with a J-frame grip) is that it holds SEVEN rounds instead of 5. Below is a photo of the 617Ti like mine - different finish than the polished on you posted, though I have a much slimmer set of grips on mine to make it pocketable.You responded before I finished my revision above.
I would have guessed that you were talking about one of the Taurus offering, but I like to be sure
BTW, the 617Ti is a Total Titanium firearm from Taurus. You have a Titanium frame, Titanium cylinder and a Titanium barrel shroud with a stainless liner.
Titanium is MUCH heavier than Scandium. The 2" Model 340s in question weigh in at under 12 ounces, your revolver hits the scale right at the 20 ounce mark. That is a 65% heavier firearm
The warning has nothing to do with the construction materials. It is a physics issue directly related to weights and recoil
So the issue is bullet jump. Interesting. I don't recall having seen that, and from the original post I got the impression that the concern had something specifically to do with titanium, when in fact it has more to do with the flyweight revolvers in general.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Heres a tip to see if you can use it defensively worst case.
Sprint 100yds. Immediately Pull out your defense loads and shoot 2 targets. Every miss is a lawsuit.
Personally I dont know if I would carry the 357 in the 340 for self defense among 2 legged predators.
Side note: YOU can only bring/use the wrong tool for a given purpose.
I know what you meant in your question but “Is a gun bad?” Is a question best left on the left
Sprint 100yds. Immediately Pull out your defense loads and shoot 2 targets. Every miss is a lawsuit.
Personally I dont know if I would carry the 357 in the 340 for self defense among 2 legged predators.
Side note: YOU can only bring/use the wrong tool for a given purpose.
I know what you meant in your question but “Is a gun bad?” Is a question best left on the left
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One suggestion I have from my limited experience. To avoid painful recoil, RELAX YOUR HAND. Go with the flow. When the gun kick up, let it kick.
I never fire the scandium J frame, but I have a few Freedom Arm 22 Mag tiny revolver with 1" barrel. They kicked hard as they are like 4oz. I absolutely have no problem shooting, no pain. I just go with the recoil, I never feel any difference in recovery time whether you hold tight or relax.
Even in target shooting at 25yds, I always shoot relax. I am not an excellent shooter, I average 70% or higher into the black at 25yds, definitely above average. I always shoot relax. So it does not hurt accuracy. Just a lot more comfortable shooting.
JMHO
I never fire the scandium J frame, but I have a few Freedom Arm 22 Mag tiny revolver with 1" barrel. They kicked hard as they are like 4oz. I absolutely have no problem shooting, no pain. I just go with the recoil, I never feel any difference in recovery time whether you hold tight or relax.
Even in target shooting at 25yds, I always shoot relax. I am not an excellent shooter, I average 70% or higher into the black at 25yds, definitely above average. I always shoot relax. So it does not hurt accuracy. Just a lot more comfortable shooting.
JMHO
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Yes, they both have scandium frames & two-piece barrels.
The M&P340 has a steel cylinder & weighs 13.8oz & the 340PD has a titanium cylinder & weigh 11.8oz & has different front sights.
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I know this was just a typo on your part but for anybody who doesn't know it's "not less than 120 grain bullet", for clarification.
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