crsides
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There's a good looking 452 lux for sale here in the classifieds
Anybody know CZ rimfire rifles
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I have both a 452 Lux and 452 American that are tack drivers. I also had a 452 Ultra Lux(29"barrel) that I sold to a club member. The one listed is a Lux, but the OP errantly referred to it as an Ultra Lux. Just sayin..........
sparkyvega
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The 457 has the "proper" safety.
I have two of them - the "won the wood lottery" example above, plus another with normal nice but not fancy walnut.
Both are accurate 5 shot very slightly greater than 1 MOA rifles at 100 yards I used both in some of the "squirrel sniper" shoots they used to have, where you needed 8 out of 10 consecutive shots on a 1 1/4" bullseye superimposed on a squirrel at 100 yards. They'd do it, but not usually on the first or second attempt. My CZ 453 is *slightly* more accurate and would do it on the first or second attempt.
There is variation in both the Model 52Rs and the CZ 453/453/455, as you'll get some that are a bit more consistent than others (my 453 American and Varmint for example). And to be fair, I think there is a little more variation in the Model 52R rifles, at least by report form people who own them.
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Dropped into my LGS after mowing my lawn this AM And lo and behold they now stock CZ457s. Trainers were $425, Scouts $450 and a walnut stocked Varmint was $500. OK price?
sipowicz
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Not bad. But I’d offer to mow his lawn if he’ll knock $25 off the price.
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I hate cutting grass.
I have 6 of them but this 452 FS is my favorite. Off a bench at 50 yards (my back yard range) I can cover a 10 shot (or 30) group with a quarter.
Interesting thread. I have 2 .22 bolt actions I haven't shot in years. Can somebody please give me an idea what type of ammunition they use to obtain such fine groups? Inquiring minds want to know. 
Kaaskop49
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Most of the rimfire bench group at My club shoot 452's, and 457's, a couple of 541T's and an Anschutz. Biggest accuracy change seems to be inch pounds of tightening stock screws on all of the rifles. Makes a difference.
Interesting thread. I have 2 .22 bolt actions I haven't shot in years. Can somebody please give me an idea what type of ammunition they use to obtain such fine groups? Inquiring minds want to know.
Kaaskop49
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There's no quick answer to this question; each rifle seems to have its own preference. However, there are a few generalities that may be shared:
Most rifles do best (accuracy-wise) with standard velocity (SV) ammo; 40 gr. solid lead, uncoated or un-plated, velocities at around 1050 fps (below the speed of sound). Common wisdom is that supersonic ammo starts to tumble as it drops below mach-1, which degrades accuracy.
A good place to start is CCI SV ($0.08 per round when available). A horrible place to start is Remington Thunder**rds ($0.05 per round, but I wouldn't inflict this junk on anybody). In fact most Remington rimfire ammo is considered to be more of an insult rather than something to be taken seriously.
The best 22LR ammo that ever was IMHO was Federal Gold Medal "Ultramatch", made with dimpled primers. They stopped making it around 20 years ago after the 1992 Olympics because it was too expensive. Sure wish that I had bought more of it. Today's Federal Gold Medal is nothing like what it use to be. Here's an old discussion about it from Rimfire Central:
Federal Gold Medal Dimples - RimfireCentral.com Forums
Today's best 22LR target ammo is probably Lapua's "Midas+" and/or "Center-X", or Eley's "Tennex". You'll pay between $0.25 and $0.45 PER SHOT for today's good stuff.
My shooting abilities seldom justify such high expenses and I'm generally satisfied with SK's "Standard+" and "Flat Nose Match" ammos ($0.10 to $0.15 per shot) in most of my rifles. I'm quite happy with 3/8" at 50 yards.
Hope this helps. -S2
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Glad I caught the thread. Just read an article review on the CZ offerings in the Sept. issue of Guns&Ammo magazine. M.S.R.P. for the 457 Varmint MTR is $752, CZ 457 Provarmint for $588, and the 457 Training Rifle for $449. Sure sound like great accurate rimfires.
The short answer for reasonably affordable non match ammo is:
1) Sk Standard Plus works well in most rifles.
It's capable of 1 MOA at 100 yards with no more than 1-2 fliers per box of 50, and runs around $5.50-$5.75 per box.
Sk Match is the same ammo made on the same machines but is selected based on the results of lot testing. In my experience it shoots as well as Sk Std. Plus, but with no fliers. It runs $7.50-$7.75 per box of 50, and Sk Std, Plus gives more bang for your buck if you are not shooting for score where 1 or 2 fliers can matter.
Sk Magazine is what's left over that doesn't meet the standards for Plus or Match. In my experience is has 3 to 5 fliers per box of 50. Still, it's great at long range where the decreased consistency is lost in the noise of errors in range estimation. Cost is around $25 per can of 500, which again makes SK Std Plus the best bang for the buck.
Wolf Match Extra is the same as SK Match. Same ammo off the same machines, and testing to the same standards, just packaged in the Wolf Match Extra box.
Wolf Match Target is the same as Sk Standard Plus. Same ammo off the same machines, and testing to the same standards, just packaged in the Wolf Match Target box.
2) CCI standard velocity.
CCI SV is popular with a lot of shooters and it also shoots well in many rifles. It also tends to be less expensive. It's fairly easy to find at around $3.50 per box of 50. It can be found for a lot less from time to time. I bought 9000 rounds last year at $23.00 per brick ($2.30 per box of 50).
It's my go to round in my High Standard Victor pistols. They shoot SK Match better, but I don't. So for me it make sense to spend half as much and shoot CCI SV.
They make CCI Green Tag as well which is supposed to be their more accurate/consistent competition ammo. But I've never noticed any difference in accuracy or consistency compared to the regular CCI SV. CCI Green Tag runs around $14.00 per 100 and for that money I prefer SK Match.
1) Sk Standard Plus works well in most rifles.
It's capable of 1 MOA at 100 yards with no more than 1-2 fliers per box of 50, and runs around $5.50-$5.75 per box.
Sk Match is the same ammo made on the same machines but is selected based on the results of lot testing. In my experience it shoots as well as Sk Std. Plus, but with no fliers. It runs $7.50-$7.75 per box of 50, and Sk Std, Plus gives more bang for your buck if you are not shooting for score where 1 or 2 fliers can matter.
Sk Magazine is what's left over that doesn't meet the standards for Plus or Match. In my experience is has 3 to 5 fliers per box of 50. Still, it's great at long range where the decreased consistency is lost in the noise of errors in range estimation. Cost is around $25 per can of 500, which again makes SK Std Plus the best bang for the buck.
Wolf Match Extra is the same as SK Match. Same ammo off the same machines, and testing to the same standards, just packaged in the Wolf Match Extra box.
Wolf Match Target is the same as Sk Standard Plus. Same ammo off the same machines, and testing to the same standards, just packaged in the Wolf Match Target box.
2) CCI standard velocity.
CCI SV is popular with a lot of shooters and it also shoots well in many rifles. It also tends to be less expensive. It's fairly easy to find at around $3.50 per box of 50. It can be found for a lot less from time to time. I bought 9000 rounds last year at $23.00 per brick ($2.30 per box of 50).
It's my go to round in my High Standard Victor pistols. They shoot SK Match better, but I don't. So for me it make sense to spend half as much and shoot CCI SV.
They make CCI Green Tag as well which is supposed to be their more accurate/consistent competition ammo. But I've never noticed any difference in accuracy or consistency compared to the regular CCI SV. CCI Green Tag runs around $14.00 per 100 and for that money I prefer SK Match.
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The Federal Ultramatch was indeed some premium grade ammo that was based on the Russian Olymp which was handloaded to extremely rigorous standards as the Russians wanted the finest regardless of cost.
However, more Olympic and State, Regional, National and International championships have been won with Eley Tenex than all others combined.
There are a number of fabulous offerings by a number of manufacturers, RWS R100-R50, Fiocchi SMV320, Lapua Midas + etc. but when it comes to winning the overwhelming choice is still Tenex.
Each rifle will have tendencies toward one or another, usually Standard Velocity.
The least expensive and quite readily available is usually CCI 0032 Standard velocity ammo.....the SK seems to do quite well when you can find it.........
Randy
The Federal Ultramatch was indeed some premium grade ammo that was based on the Russian Olymp which was handloaded to extremely rigorous standards as the Russians wanted the finest regardless of cost.
However, more Olympic and State, Regional, National and International championships have been won with Eley Tenex than all others combined.
There are a number of fabulous offerings by a number of manufacturers, RWS R100-R50, Fiocchi SMV320, Lapua Midas + etc. but when it comes to winning the overwhelming choice is still Tenex.
Each rifle will have tendencies toward one or another, usually Standard Velocity.
The least expensive and quite readily available is usually CCI 0032 Standard velocity ammo.....the SK seems to do quite well when you can find it.........
Randy
Yes, I think those are OK prices. I paid $425 for a 457 American model last year. I have three other CZs, all 452 models, and they are indeed deserving of their reputation for quality, accuracy, and value. The Scout has a noticeably shorter length of pull than the Trainer or the Varmint (12" vs. 13.75"), and that just makes it feel "too short" to me.
I have two, both 455 models, a Ultra Match & a Varmint both excellent shooters, I think the accuracy of the CZ, be it a 455,452, Etc: is dependent largely on two things , first the ammo, both of mine are very ammo sensitive, second, the shooter, I have found over the years that most of my shooting problems can be traced back to me!!
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LoboGunLeather
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Picked up a CZ 455 American .22LR about a year and a half ago. Outfitted it with a Williams receiver sight and ramp/bead front. I expect this will be a good small game rifle. I am very favorably impressed with the craftsmanship and finish work on the CZ. The bolt-mounted safety would be easier for me if it worked like the old Model 70 Winchester, but it is exactly the reverse and will take some getting used to.
Rifle came with nice CZ steel 1" rings so I have added a 3-9X40 scope and that will clear the receiver sight if I remove the aperture, so no adjustments to speak of when changing from scope to iron sights. At least that is the results I hope for. I like a receiver sight for most field use, but I can foresee some situations in which a scope will be nice to have.
Still looking forward to some range work. I was just getting the new piece ready to go when my cataracts demanded surgery, then my elbow and wrist surgeries on my strong arm, now pending surgery on the weak arm.
First the kids, then the grandkids, now along come the great-grandkids. It has gotten nearly impossible to hold onto a good .22 rifle around here.
Rifle came with nice CZ steel 1" rings so I have added a 3-9X40 scope and that will clear the receiver sight if I remove the aperture, so no adjustments to speak of when changing from scope to iron sights. At least that is the results I hope for. I like a receiver sight for most field use, but I can foresee some situations in which a scope will be nice to have.
Still looking forward to some range work. I was just getting the new piece ready to go when my cataracts demanded surgery, then my elbow and wrist surgeries on my strong arm, now pending surgery on the weak arm.
First the kids, then the grandkids, now along come the great-grandkids. It has gotten nearly impossible to hold onto a good .22 rifle around here.
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I have the CZ511, great shooter but the magazines are NON-existent.
Got my first one in 2011 a 452FS/mannlicher in .22mag. I'm a sucker for Mannlicher style stocks (I think I have 9)......... got my last this past spring; a used 452FS in .22 magnum!!! These are great little "walk in Penn's woods" varmint rifles. My original .22mag will shoot 100yd 1-1.25 groups with a 1-4x20 Leupold scope. Smallest groups are in the .9 range.
In between I got....... a couple each of 452 Trainers (used) and 452 FS's ( one new and one used) in ,22lr .... a Scout (new) for my youngest son.
Not all my CZs are 452s........ three 527s including a FS in .223/5.56 (The FS was new the Americans were both used) and a new old stock(08) 453 Varmint w/ a heavy fluted barrel and single set trigger in .17hmr................
All make me
Most used were acquired for between $300 and $425 the most expensive was the new 527FS in .223/5.56 at $720
The only ones I set out to acquire were the 452FS in .22lr and 527FS in .223...... the rest were stumbled on in LGS or being sold by friends to upgrade to another CZ.
These CZs have been the most fun I've had with a rifle since my High School and College Rifle Team days.
I have a half dozen other .22 rifles but the CZs are the ones that go to the range and woods.
In between I got....... a couple each of 452 Trainers (used) and 452 FS's ( one new and one used) in ,22lr .... a Scout (new) for my youngest son.
Not all my CZs are 452s........ three 527s including a FS in .223/5.56 (The FS was new the Americans were both used) and a new old stock(08) 453 Varmint w/ a heavy fluted barrel and single set trigger in .17hmr................
All make me
Most used were acquired for between $300 and $425 the most expensive was the new 527FS in .223/5.56 at $720
The only ones I set out to acquire were the 452FS in .22lr and 527FS in .223...... the rest were stumbled on in LGS or being sold by friends to upgrade to another CZ.
These CZs have been the most fun I've had with a rifle since my High School and College Rifle Team days.
I have a half dozen other .22 rifles but the CZs are the ones that go to the range and woods.
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