Remington Tac-14 vs. Mossberg Shockwave......

vipermd · Jun 10, 2020

ContinentalOp said:
I'm cross-dominant, so if I do get into long guns I'll probably try to learn it as a lefty. For that reason, I like the Mossberg's tang-mounted safety.

Why not do both? My wife is Right handed, but left eye dominant, so I have worked with her to shoot both right and left handed. I also shoot left and right, rifle and handgun are fine, but getting used to shooting clays left handed took time and work. Be Safe,

Echo40 · Jun 10, 2020

Getting back on topic, I would also like to add that the Mossberg Shockwave comes in more configurations, finishes, and chamberings than the TAC-14.

For example, here's my Mossberg 590 Shockwave 12 Gauge with factory FDE Cerakote Finish.

It's also available in a "Stainless Cerakote" finish which mimics the appearance of brushed Stainless Steel.

Plus it comes chambered in 20 Gauge and .410 Bore for those who are worried about recoil, although personally I'd sooner get an OpSol Mini Clip adapter and shoot 12 Gauge Mini Shells if recoil were an issue for me because that way you can fit more in the magazine tube than if you were to opt for 20 Gauge or .410 Bore.
That being said, I find the 12 Gauge Shockwave to be plenty controllable with standard 2.5" loads. It gives a powerful jolt backwards when fired, but if you hold it at about chest height and tuck the rear of the grip into your armpit it's nothing to worry about.

ContinentalOp · Jun 10, 2020

vipermd said:
Why not do both? My wife is Right handed, but left eye dominant, so I have worked with her to shoot both right and left handed. I also shoot left and right, rifle and handgun are fine, but getting used to shooting clays left handed took time and work. Be Safe,

I do plan to shoot both, like I do with handguns, but I want to focus on being a lefty with long guns like I focus on being a righty with handguns. I'm not 100% set on this approach, but it seems to make the most sense to me. I may change my mind if I ever do start shooting long guns, or get some training.

FWIW, my cross-dominance is pretty pronounced. Funny story: I used to do archery as a righty before I knew I was cross-dominant, or even what it was. I was right-handed, so that's how I learned. My sights were set up for my right eye. I was at the range one day shooting at 20yds, shooting some good groups in the bullseye. One of the range employees wanted to try my bow at the same range. His arrows hit a few feet off the paper. Wasn't even close. That's when I learned about cross-dominance.

Echo40 · Jun 10, 2020

oink said:
I like both the Remington and Mossberg. I started with the Remington but carried a High Standard for more years. I had a Mossberg only the last few years when they forcibly retired my High Standard, which never gave me any trouble. I believe it only had one action bar, but I may not remember correctly now. I liked the Mossberg very much after I got used to it.

At one point in time Mossbergs only had a single action bar, but another was added in a future revision in order to improve reliability. It's important to note that the Shockwave is a variant of the 590 Series which was made for the USMC. The Shockwave is basically a chopped down hybrid of the 590 and 590A1, with the polymer trigger group/safety switch of the 590 and the heavy-walled barrel of the 590A1.

29aholic · Jun 10, 2020

I am on my second 590 Shockwave. Only reason I am not still on my first was a trade I couldnt pass up.
Between the two I have shot well over 1000 rds of various shells and have gotten good enough to the point of being surgical with one without even one hiccup.
I too am left handed and prefer the tang safety. I also like the forearm on the 590 better than the 870.
The first Tac-14's were 4+1 but I think they changed that.
I would love to have a Tac-13 but dont see the need to spend the extra money.
I like the fact that either will fit in the saddle bags of my Bagger easily.

Guevera · Jun 10, 2020

I really hesitate to get in this thread, but I have a Serbu Super Shorty which is about as small as a pump shotgun will ever get, I expect. It is a heavily modified Mossberg Maverick, which is an even cheaper version of their already affordable shotguns.
Wonderful firearm if you’re defending the back seat from an attack from the front seat, otherwise I’m not sure. Anyhow, it came with a vertical pistol grip, which was really tough to shoot. Very hard on the wrist and hand.
Switching to a birds head grip was far easier on me, but still pretty unpleasant although it made it easier to transport.
The Serbu had been a 5$ “any other weapon,” transfer, but it was so demanding to shoot I spent $200 more (!) and had it papered again as a short barreled shotgun. Now it has a Chote stock and I like it a hell of a lot better.
This, gentlemen, has been my personal “now how do I hang onto this thing?” short shotgun journey.

Echo40 · Jun 10, 2020

29aholic said:
The first Tac-14's were 4+1 but I think they changed that.

Yeah, most of the newer models have a +1 Extension on the Mag Tube, so they have equal capacity compared to the Shockwave.

Guevera said:
I really hesitate to get in this thread, but I have a Serbu Super Shorty which is about as small as a pump shotgun will ever get, I expect. It is a heavily modified Mossberg Maverick, which is an even cheaper version of their already affordable shotguns.
Wonderful firearm if you’re defending the back seat from an attack from the front seat, otherwise I’m not sure. Anyhow, it came with a vertical pistol grip, which was really tough to shoot. Very hard on the wrist and hand.
Switching to a birds head grip was far easier on me, but still pretty unpleasant although it made it easier to transport.
The Serbu had been a 5$ “any other weapon,” transfer, but it was so demanding to shoot I spent $200 more (!) and had it papered again as a short barreled shotgun. Now it has a Chote stock and I like it a hell of a lot better.
This, gentlemen, has been my personal “now do I hang onto this thing?” short shotgun journey.

The Serbu Super Shorty was actually the gun I had my eye on until the Mossberg 590 Shockwave was introduced. It's a cool gun, and that's the only reason any free man needs to own a firearm.

Some folks struggle to present themselves as super serious Self-Defense gurus or something who only buy firearms for their practical applications, but I doubt there's a single firearms owner who doesn't own at least one firearm just because it's cool. If not, then I pitty them because they probably are one of those extremely self-conscious types who hides their insecurities behind the façade of a stoic professional.

That being said, I'm of the mindset that a weapon is a weapon, so I don't belittle weapons which just so happen to be cool as "toys" as some folks do in the derogatory sense either.
My Shockwave is actually my primary Home Defense gun and I use a Taurus Judge Magnum as a nightstand gun which I've heard no end of disparaging comments over, especially from folks who are ironically convinced that their AR Pistol is the pinnacle of modern all-purpose Self-Defense equipment.

shocker · Jun 10, 2020

THEmodelof1989 said:
Someone up top said something about how mossberges are milspec? I don't see how that matters.

For one thing, the milspec requires the shotgun to be drop safe from 4ft.
Now I would imagine modern production shotguns have stiff enough firing pin springs to make them drop safe in practice, meaning dropping one from a tree stand onto dirt/grass won't kill the hunter. Lawyers, you know.

GypsmJim · Jun 10, 2020

I've had Mossbergs for eons. The 500's had twin action bars way back when. I never found them to be junk, and I would trust my life with one.

OTOH, Mossberg's cheepie mexico made .22 rifles ARE pure junk.

Now, 870s were fine shotguns back when I was a kid. IMHO, they have gone so far down hill that I wouldn't even shoot one, much less buy one. If it says remington on the product, I wouldn't take it for free.

Just my opinion.

vipermd · Jun 11, 2020

ContinentalOp said:
I do plan to shoot both, like I do with handguns, but I want to focus on being a lefty with long guns like I focus on being a righty with handguns. I'm not 100% set on this approach, but it seems to make the most sense to me. I may change my mind if I ever do start shooting long guns, or get some training.

FWIW, my cross-dominance is pretty pronounced. Funny story: I used to do archery as a righty before I knew I was cross-dominant, or even what it was. I was right-handed, so that's how I learned. My sights were set up for my right eye. I was at the range one day shooting at 20yds, shooting some good groups in the bullseye. One of the range employees wanted to try my bow at the same range. His arrows hit a few feet off the paper. Wasn't even close. That's when I learned about cross-dominance.

Totally agree, it is nice option to have a choice.
You will appreciate this: My wife set up her sights on bow for right hand, shooting good groups, started to get tired and fired a group of 4 arrow 1 foot to the right of the bull. I watched, from left,right, behind, below, but could not figure out what was going on, till I watched her head carefully and saw her move to use her left eye!! She has since switched to a crossbow, which see uses right eye. Be Safe,

Muss Muggins · Nov 4, 2020

THEmodelof1989 said:
Now, onto the only merit that really matters between the two. The tac series has a double rail, so if one breaks, it's not a steaming pile. The Shockwave has no such failsafe: One rail, and should it snap you now have a cumbersome version of a tee ball bat.

Just a point of parliamentary procedure, because all I've seen are cut and pastes from websites, but I own three Shockwaves, one in each flavor, and they all have two rails, one on each side of the slide . . .

ACORN · Nov 4, 2020

I bought the Shockwave being Opsol makes a adapter to feed mini-shell and thereby bumping up the mag. capacity to 9 IIRC.

BigBoku · Nov 4, 2020

Forte Smitten Wesson said:
At one point in time Mossbergs only had a single action bar, but another was added in a future revision in order to improve reliability. It's important to note that the Shockwave is a variant of the 590 Series which was made for the USMC. The Shockwave is basically a chopped down hybrid of the 590 and 590A1, with the polymer trigger group/safety switch of the 590 and the heavy-walled barrel of the 590A1.

Mossberg went to dual action bars after Remingtons patent expired in 1970.

tenntex32 · Nov 4, 2020

I'll admit that I got the bug for a wood furniture Shockwave or Tac-14 the very first time I saw both setting side-by-side in the same store display case.

The somewhat short 18 1/2" 590A1 with Speedfeed stock and 2-shot mag-tube extension that I currently own has successfully kept me from pulling the trigger on one though.......for now at least.

pjpjr · Nov 4, 2020

I chose this beast.....made by Safety Harbor Firearms and built on 870.
Beautiful handy shotty fills my needs nicely

rainyknight · Nov 5, 2020

I have a shockwave in 12 ga, it is a handful to shoot with the birdshead grip but is doable especially with the opsol mini clip installed and using the 1.75" mini-shells. It also increases the capacity to 8 rounds. Makes it a very good companion in the truck or in close quarters. Streamlight makes a forend with integral light and if you want a little more control SB tactical makes an adapter so you can add a pistol brace (currently that is considered ok by the BATFE). With the pistol brace it is just as controllable as any other 12 ga shotgun and considerably more so that the 500 cruiser with the pistol grip, which I also own.
As to the reliability of the 500/590 i've been using the shipboard in the Navy for over 20 years and while I have seen them actually fall apart from rust (magazine cap flying off followed by spring and shells) I have never seen one fail to fire. And trust me, if you have no experience with sailors and marines, they can and will find a way to destroy a crowbar in a sandbox. The ones on ship are often decades old and abused to the point where a civilian would probably just throw them away but they don't jam and always go bang. In a marine environment the plastic trigger group is a godsend by the way. Just my personal experience and hope I didn't step on anyone's toes, I also feel that the 870 is a fine weapon especially the police magnums.

Sistema1927 · Nov 5, 2020

I put the pistol grip/brace on my Shockwave, but soon removed it due to the fact that you cannot manipulate the safety without removing your hand from the grip. Went back to the Raptor grip. I also have the Laserlyte Center Mass which gives this pattern that expands with range:

robvious · Nov 5, 2020

I am an 870 guy.. since I was 14 years old... 54 now...
but would go with the Mossberg Shockwave because of the mini shell option... just simple math really

Delta Rose · Nov 5, 2020

I wonder if folks are apprehensive about buying a new Remington firearm given the uncertainty of any warranty support? I plan on keeping all of my 870s, 1100s and my ‘06 700, and am sad to see the demise of a once-great company...

Echo40 · Nov 5, 2020

Someone will inevitably pick up Remington. Ruger already secured Marlin since the bankruptcy occurred, so I'll bet that by SHOT Show 2021 someone will have acquired Remington.

Besides, I stopped caring about Warranties a few years ago after numerous companies either did away with their Warranty or otherwise made it cover so few issues which were virtually impossible for the firearm to even leave the factory with.

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