Serbu Super Shorty 12 Gauge

Actually, three, one carried in the chamber and 2 in the magazine is how they are advertised. The standard model is a little low in capacity but there is a version that uses an 8 round box magazine and even a 12 round drum if you want to go there. I carried a Remington 870 12ga. folding stock with 8 round capacity as my truck gun for many years and it saved my life against two would be robbers.

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The 870 Police Folder that you have pictured is not a 3 shot capacity. The one in the picture is wearing a magazine extension

This 870 Police Folder came to me after the FHPA Commander retired. He used to carry it in the trunk of his unmarked car.

These are very uncomfortable to shoot from the shouldered position. Here is the original three shot configuration

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I find it perplexing how so many folks say that pistol grip only shotguns are only marginally useful if not completely useless because they only provide two points of contact yet make no such statements about .460/.500 Magnum Revolvers which only have a single point of contact and a much higher bore axis.



The x frames are just as poor of a choice for a serious gun as a shockwave is, you just don't get as many posters making threads and comments about how great they are for HD, so they don't need to be called out on that foolishness as often as the Shockwave fans do.
 
Asking in a respectful tone, have you shot one of the Shockwave gripped non-shotguns? Any training time to back up the assertions?

I ask because my experience is considerably different than what you are opining. My experience is almost three years of ownership
and 400 mixed shells +/-.
1) My 14” Shockwave 870 is considerably more accurate with the Federal FliteControl than my smoothbore 20” barrel, to my frustration.

2) Cannot notice a difference between slug accuracy between stocked and non stocked 870s.

3) Tons of internet videos of shooting slugs from Shockwaves to 100 yards and beyond. I just do not enjoy slugs enough to try.

4) I found I prefer the recoil of the PGO Shockwave over the stocked 870. Much less bruising for me.

I have shot the Mossberg Shockwave. My buddies boy bought one for house gun, he also has a Circuit Judge 45/410. I was not impressed by either one.
I do have more experience than most shooting slugs. If a stake out shotgun is out shooting your 20” 870, you got a problem. You probably need another barrel. As a rule 870s will shoot into 3” at 100 yds. Unless somebody scopes a Shockwave and shoots it off bags there is no way that they would come close to a standard gun. Shooting at a hill side, using slugs like walking in mortars is not accuracy.
There is always the exception, I’m sure somebody has a Olympic grade Stake Out just as there are purpose built slug guns that don’t shoot well. For shot at close range is all they are good for.
 
I would think the shockwave might work with the opsol adapter and use the short shells. Would add a few more rounds and cut down on the recoil. Either that or go with a 410 shockwave.
 
Asking in a respectful tone, have you shot one of the Shockwave gripped non-shotguns? Any training time to back up the assertions?

I ask because my experience is considerably different than what you are opining. My experience is almost three years of ownership
and 400 mixed shells +/-.
1) My 14” Shockwave 870 is considerably more accurate with the Federal FliteControl than my smoothbore 20” barrel, to my frustration.

2) Cannot notice a difference between slug accuracy between stocked and non stocked 870s.

3) Tons of internet videos of shooting slugs from Shockwaves to 100 yards and beyond. I just do not enjoy slugs enough to try.

4) I found I prefer the recoil of the PGO Shockwave over the stocked 870. Much less bruising for me.

No, I have not, though I would love to, because I presently reside in the Peoples Republic of California where they are verboten comrade. :)

I have a lot of experience shooting a Remington 870 folding stock pistol grip riot model 8-shot pump. The only thing I am saying is that the shorter the gun the more training and range time you need to be effective at ranges past extremely close. I am not an advocate of super shot shotguns but for the trained professional or civilian. I have long read and heard that a grip like on the Shockwave is easier on the shooting hand than a pistol grip but have no personal firsthand experience of that.

Accuracy is a function of ones ability to properly aim shots especially at moving targets at range which to me means you need good sights and contact surfaces with the body to hold those sights steady to gain hits on said moving targets. One shoots how it works best for them. :)

Amazing accuracy can be achieved without the use of sights when trained by methods like "Quick Kill" as taught in the U.S. Army all the way back during Vietnam at close ranges. Check it out for yourself.
 
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The x frames are just as poor of a choice for a serious gun as a shockwave is, you just don't get as many posters making threads and comments about how great they are for HD, so they don't need to be called out on that foolishness as often as the Shockwave fans do.

I wasn't referring to the Shockwave's potential application as a Home Defense Firearm, but rather as a Wilderness Defense Firearm.
That being said, I myself use the Shockwave for Home Defense, and specifically chose it over a full-size 590 because it would be nearly impossible to maneuver around within my home with a full-length Shotgun, so the benefits of a shoulder stock was effectively moot. Furthermore, with proper technique and sufficient strength, the Shockwave works well as a Home Defense firearm since distances within ones home aren't nearly long enough for any increase in pellet spread or any (if any) loss in accuracy at such close range to make a difference.

There seems to be a misconception that the ONLY way to fire a PGO Scattergun is from the hip, because if you attempt to aim it using a conventional hold then the recoil force will drive the firearm backwards directly into the shooter's face. However, with sufficient arm strength and a proper push/pull grip on the gun, it absolutely will not come back far enough to hit the Shooter's face.
Furthermore, there are other methods of gripping/aiming the firearm which eliminate that risk altogether, such as tucking the rear most part of the grip between the pectoral and bicep, thus allowing it to be aimed without the gun having anything to slam backwards into.
Obviously there are arm braces for the Shockwave as well, but that's another story.

Suffice to say, things aren't always quite as they may appear to be in reality, and it's easy to miss a lot of facts if one bases their expectations strictly on assumptions formed strictly by appearance. If you want to say that the Shockwave isn't "the best" thing for Home Defense, (assuming there even is such a thing) then that's a valid statement, but to say that it's useless, a range toy, or otherwise an extremely poor choice merely because you cannot conceive any method/means of it being a useful alternative beyond the scope of your own perception is very much the opposite. Just because something isn't a good for you, doesn't mean that it's the same for everyone else. People each have their own limitations, and for those like me who lack adequate space to maneuver around with a full-length Shotgun but still desire the decisive defensive capabilities of a Shotgun, possess sufficient strength to manage the recoil, and can train using alternative methods of gripping/aiming the gun, the 590 Shockwave/TAC-14 make for an adequate alternative.

Last but not least, lets just go ahead and address the elephant in the room here, short shotguns are just plain cool, so even if that's the sole reason why anybody wants one, then that's all the reason that a free man needs to own one to begin with.
Everyone has a "movie gun" a gun they saw in movies or videogames that they own strictly because it's cool. Not everyone is willing to admit that because it doesn't sound tough or make the person who said it look like a stoic professional, but regardless, nobody buys every firearm that they own strictly for defensive/offensive purposes, and if they do, then they are probably new to guns and are just prioritizing getting guns they need before guns that they want. Not to say that there isn't any overlap there, but I digress, it's something that people do that there's no reason to be ashamed of, so if anyone here owns a Shockwave or whatever just because it's cool, then more power to them.
 
For what what they are designed for and proper loaded there is nothing more devastating used within their range limitation as a SHOTGUN of any barrel length in my opinion. :eek:
 
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