Price check....4506-1

Are there single or double locking cuts on the side of the mags? If there are two cut outs, they could be 8 round factory OEM mags for for a Performance Center 945.

I don't own any 945 mags, yet ;) , so I don't know if those would work in any other 3rd Gen 45.

I don't think recoil spring weight would effect mag feeding function. Regards 18DAI
 
18DAI said:
Are there single or double locking cuts on the side of the mags? If there are two cut outs, they could be 8 round factory OEM mags for for a Performance Center 945.

I don't own any 945 mags, yet ;) , so I don't know if those would work in any other 3rd Gen 45.

I don't think recoil spring weight would effect mag feeding function. Regards 18DAI
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The double cut 945s will work if slammed home the single cut 945s will not work in a standard 4506 I have tried just for T&E.
 
18DAI said:
Are there single or double locking cuts on the side of the mags? If there are two cut outs, they could be 8 round factory OEM mags for for a Performance Center 945.

I don't own any 945 mags, yet ;) , so I don't know if those would work in any other 3rd Gen 45.

I don't think recoil spring weight would effect mag feeding function. Regards 18DAI
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The dedicated 945 mags will have the cut placement a little higher up than a 4500 series mag correct me if I am wrong.
 
The black follower mags (marked ES-1 on the front) I am having trouble with do seem harder to seat than the others. The mags I'm having trouble with do not have double mag catch slots. I guess I can try to measure the distances to see what's what. I didn't even think about these possibly being dedicated 945 mags.

The odd thing is though all of my mags work flawlessly in my 4566?
 
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Paid 650.00 for this one several years ago. Police trade in. Shoots like a dream! Only thing I did was stick new grips on it.

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Would somebody please School me ?
45** series what's the difference between black, yellow and blue followers?
 
The blue followers are for the double stack 40 mags. I've never seen a blue follower for a 45XX series single stack mag.

The red/orange...ish followers were the first ones sent out with the 4506. Then came the yellow followers, used in all the 3rd Gen 45 mags.

The last were the black followers. The black followers also fitting all the previous mags and were the last iteration. I use the red and yellow followers in my range only mags, but for carry I only use the black followers. Regards 18DAI
 
galilman121 have you gotten your new 4506-1 out to the range yet? If so, how did you like it?

I wore mine at work yesterday. When it got slow I got a chance to run a few mags through it. Made me look good. The younger guys at the range asked if it was a Sig. Kids these days. ;) Regards 18DAI
 
18DAI said:
galilman121 have you gotten your new 4506-1 out to the range yet? If so, how did you like it?

I wore mine at work yesterday. When it got slow I got a chance to run a few mags through it. Made me look good. The younger guys at the range asked if it was a Sig. Kids these days. ;) Regards 18DAI
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A Sig? LOL!!!! Kids say the darnedest things.
 
I have not been out to the range just yet. If you were going to drop a new Wolff spring onto a well loved ex-PD pistola (Tempe AZ PD) what strength spring would you personally use for a duty weapon?
 
Be careful with Wolfe 4506 springs. IIRC, they have confused the wadcutter spring with the factory OEM.

I would go with a factory OEM 14 pound? spring (part# 201610000) in a 4506-1 used on duty. Just for liability purposes and to avoid hearing from the agency armorer. ;)

If I were shooting only hot loads constantly - 230 RA45T - I might step up to 16 pound spring weight. But I wouldn't go any higher than that. IIRC, you only need an 18 pound spring in a 4506 if you are shooting 45 Super.

Hopefully BMCM, Bluedot or Fastbolt will see your question and opine. But theres my 0.02. FWIW, in semi retirement and still carrying one of my 4506-1s, I'm running a factory OEM weight spring. Good luck! Hope this helps. Regards 18DAI
 
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If you were going to drop a new Wolff spring onto a well loved ex-PD pistola (Tempe AZ PD) what strength spring would you personally use for a duty weapon?
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Wolff says factory standard is 14# that's incorrect. 14# is closer to a wadcutter spring. S&W p/n: 20161 is not a 14# spring, it's quite a bit stronger. Note: M1006 & M4506 as welll as all the other five inch big bores use the same recoil spring, that being 20161.

If you're unable to find a 20161 factory spring, PM me your info, I can spare one. If absolutely necessary to use a Wolff spring I'd recommend you go with SKU 47618. But make sure you orient the spring correctly. Often Wolff springs are repurposed 1911 springs thus one end has a closed coil with a smaller ID than the length of the spring. You need to orient the tight coil towards the breech and not the muzzle. As in, shove the tight coil onto your guiderod first, otherwise the gun won't run.

I don't use Wolff springs in any of my guns. If I'm unable to get a OEM spring I will make some new parts and set the gun up to run with a ISMI flatwire. My frequent carry 4506 is so setup with a 20# 36 coil ISMI spring.

Cheers
Bill
 
BMCM said:
Wolff says factory standard is 14# that's incorrect. 14# is closer to a wadcutter spring. S&W p/n: 20161 is not a 14# spring, it's quite a bit stronger. Note: M1006 & M4506 as welll as all the other five inch big bores use the same recoil spring, that being 20161.

If you're unable to find a 20161 factory spring, PM me your info, I can spare one. If absolutely necessary to use a Wolff spring I'd recommend you go with SKU 47618. But make sure you orient the spring correctly. Often Wolff springs are repurposed 1911 springs thus one end has a closed coil with a smaller ID than the length of the spring. You need to orient the tight coil towards the breech and not the muzzle. As in, shove the tight coil onto your guiderod first, otherwise the gun won't run.

I don't use Wolff springs in any of my guns. If I'm unable to get a OEM spring I will make some new parts and set the gun up to run with a ISMI flatwire. My frequent carry 4506 is so setup with a 20# 36 coil ISMI spring.

Cheers
Bill
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Guess I’ve gotten lucky. I’ve been using Wolff to replace springs in every used gun I have ever bought. At least 20 3rd Gen guns. I keep the factory mags in the bag the Wolff ones came in. Never had a problem, but I confess my guns don’t get shot all that much. Once or twice a year is all.
 
To be clear, I've got nothing against Wolfe Springs. At least someone is making the replacement consumables for 3rd Gen pistols that the current company calling itself s&w can't be bothered to. ;)

And while changing recoil springs is a part of a good pistol maintenance schedule, I don't worry about it as much with the 5 inch and 4.25 inch, all steel 3rd Gen 45s, as I do with the aluminum framed, smaller pistols. IIRC factory recommendation was 3 years or 3K rounds.

My friend CALREB, who was an armorer, servicing a large agency where the 3rd Gen full size 45s were popular, taught us that the springs last a long time in service in the large 45s. So, I don't change them in my 4506s or 4566s, till the recoil springs take a 1/4 inch set. Compared to a OEM unused example. And I shoot mine far more than "average". I've yet to experience a malfunction in a 4506, or 4566. Not one. Regards 18DAI
 
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