Zeta 6 Speedloaders

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Received my order from Zeta for a set of the K-Clip (their version of the strip loader) and a set of the K_Pak (their version of the speed loader).

Could be I just don't understand how to use them, although they seem straight forward, or I am more of an uncoordinated baboon than I think I am. I just find them awkward to handle.
Anyone else using them and have a pointer or two?
 
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The K- Pak is basically just a strip loader designed to load "three and three" rather than two, two and two.

You open the cylinder as normal and load the three cylinders closest to the frame, then load the three cylinders farthest from the frame.

It's sounds a little easier than it is and it will always be a bit slower than loading all six with a speed loader.

What I found worked best for me is holding it with the three bullets at the top between my index and middle fingers with my thumb behind the clip in about the middle of the clip.

The "top" three rounds go in the chambers closest to the frame and without shifting your grip in the clip, move your hand up and to the side a bit to put the "bottom" three rounds in the chambers farthest from the frame.

I normally use a Stress Fire reload where the revolver ends up sitting vertically in the fingers of my left hand, rather than with the middle and ring fingers through the frame as is the case with the FBI and Universal reloads. The orientation of the revolver in the Stress Fire reload works well.

With the FBI and Universal reloads? Not so much. The angles make the necessary fiddling with a right hand a lot more fiddly with less than optimum angles as the hand frame, and clip get in each other's way.

Overall I'm not a big fan. Their sole value is sitting flatter in a pocket than a speed loader, while being about 50% faster than loading six with a speed strip. Speed strips are still flatter and speed loaders are still faster. So it's kind of the .40 S&W of loaders. They might eventually catch on but they haven't in the last couple years they've been around.


I haven't tried the K-Clip, but it's not going to be much different than the original metal speed loaders from the 1930s in terms of putting all the rounds in the cylinder and then lifting and pulling the clip away from the cylinders.
 
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I feel they aren't to top off the weapon fast, but to put more rounds in as quick as possible in a small more concealable package to continue the fight when you run dry. Like you would 2 in one shot on a speedstrip, close and and go. Instead, it gives you three in one shot.



That's my take on it after years of training and practice.


I own four of them for my K frames



If you want fast complete reloading, use speedloaders.
 
I feel they aren't to top off the weapon fast, but to put more rounds in as quick as possible in a small more concealable package to continue the fight when you run dry. Like you would 2 in one shot on a speedstrip, close and and go. Instead, it gives you three in one shot.



That's my take on it after years of training and practice.


I own four of them for my K frames



If you want fast complete reloading, use speedloaders.

I disagree for a couple reasons.

When "loading two, shooting two", an officer still had to index the cylinder to put those two rounds immediately to the right side of the frame, so they'd be next up when the trigger was pulled. That took, and still takes, some time and some fine motor skill.

With the K-Pak, it takes about as much time to just load the "bottom" three as it takes to index the cylinder so there's no real upside to not loading all six.

You can certainly do it that way, I just don't see any real advantage.

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The "load two, shoot two" concept came out of the Newhall shooting in 1970, and other shootings similar to it where a bad guy counting rounds would know an officer's six shot revolver was empty, and where it took a long time to load six rounds individually without a speed loader.

In the Newhall shooting, one of the four Highway Patrolmen involved was shot and killed while single loading six rounds into his Colt Python. Head down, focused on reloading six rounds he didn't see one of the two perpetrators approaching him and was shot and killed while loading the sixth round just before closing the cylinder.

The working theory was that had he had a speed loader, he could have quickly reloaded without taking his eyes and or attention off the threat and been able to continue to engage the perpetrators. As as a result the CHP became the first major police agency to both allow and issue speed loaders.

The "load two, shoot two" approach was what ended up being recommended for departments that still *didn't* permit speed loaders. To be effective it really requires a speed strip, but it could be done with cartridges in belt loops or in a pocket, but not so much with a dump pouch, unless the officer dropped the other four in a pocket.

But, either way, it got the officer back in the fight, usually before an assailant counting rounds could rush the officer.

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There was still however a great deal of resistance to speed loaders and speed strips in many departments. 15 years later the department I worked for had a chief of police who was basically anti gun and didn't want to encourage officers to fire any more rounds than absolutely necessary.

It was the police version of the objection of some military commanders in the 1930s to adopting the semi auto Garand over the bolt action 1903 Springfield. They felt higher rates of fire encouraged poor marksmanship. It was similar to commanders a generation before who felt the 1903's magazine cut off should be engaged and the 1903 used as a single shot with the rounds in the magazine kept as a reserve, for the same concerns about marksmanship and wasting a mo.

Old ideas don't die off until the old guys who thought them up die off or retire.

Consequently our old school police chief didn't allow speed loaders or speed strips, but instead still issued just six rounds for use with a single dump pouch. (Six rounds, not even seven to allow a spare if the officer dropped one under stress.) The response from many officers was to just say "whatever" and carry a J-frame in an ankle holster. Those that did so figured they'd rather be fired if they ever had to use it, instead of being shot or killed because they didn't have it.

Most of the officers I knew in that department also carried a speed strip or two in their pockets and certainly had the option of a "load two, shoot two", reload. I'm not sure using non department issued ammo would have been any better employment wise however. But still better unemployed than dead.

Ironically the two perpetrators in the Newhall shooting prevailed partly because they had multiple backup weapons in their car. Without the option of speed loaders, we opted for an non approved backup because it works.

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With all that as background, I'm of the opinion that for an armed citizen, carrying a speed strip with extra ammo in a pocket still works fine for insurance against the very unlikely chance that he or she would ever need a reload, given that almost all armed citizen self defense shoots are over and done in 5 rounds or less.

However, if I were carrying a K-Pak, I'd just load all six. The extra time compared to loading just three and indexing the cylinder is not significant at all.
 
Received my order from Zeta for a set of the K-Clip (their version of the strip loader) and a set of the K_Pak (their version of the speed loader).

or I am more of an uncoordinated baboon than I think I am.

OH please let this be it so I won't be the only one ;)
 
That 3x3 thing doesn't look any bit appreciably smaller than a true loader.
I don't see a niche for it as for full-reloads. As a tac-load option, I think it's probably another 'miss'. We can all short-stroke an ejector to have TWO empties stand-up proud, easily removed with our thumb and two-fingers. A standard strip loads 2x2x2, getting back into the fight. That third empty popping up would take another grab and manipulation further slowing the process, IMHO.
 
First thank you for all the comments! I am going to work with them one more time but be it me or the product I don't see us bonding... I will stay with my Tuff products strips and pouch. Lets me carry 3 reloads with ease and the nylon pouch in either coyote or black call no attention and are very secure.

Much appreciated as always.
 
That 3x3 thing doesn't look any bit appreciably smaller than a true loader.
I don't see a niche for it as for full-reloads. As a tac-load option, I think it's probably another 'miss'. We can all short-stroke an ejector to have TWO empties stand-up proud, easily removed with our thumb and two-fingers. A standard strip loads 2x2x2, getting back into the fight. That third empty popping up would take another grab and manipulation further slowing the process, IMHO.

We can short stroke the ejector to get two fired cases to stand up, provided that the cases don't stick. Sticking cases are not normally a problem with .38 Special, but it is often the case with .357 Magnum self defense loads.

Given the limitations, I'm just not a fan of topping off a revolver. Shoot it dry and speed load it, or if you feel it's a great time to do a tactical reload, dump the whole cylinder and speed load it. If you're worried about dropping live rounds, just carry an extra speed loader or two.

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I agree with you the K-PAK isn't much flatter than some speed loaders.

I like to carry a speed loader in a slip over style pouch where you can slip two or three rounds over the belt to reduce the profile. Wild Bills Concealment stocks them for 5 or 6 shot speed loaders and you can special order them for 7 shot speed loaders.

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In the Newhall shooting, one of the four Highway Patrolmen involved was shot and killed while single loading six rounds into his Colt Python. Head down, focused on reloading six rounds he didn't see one of the two perpetrators approaching him and was shot and killed while loading the sixth round just before closing the cylinder.

One of the more tragic things about that incident was what was found next to that officer.
He was found lying close to the passenger rear wheel of his cruiser.
On the ground and in front of the rear tire were 6 spent cartridges neatly lined in a row.
Not only did he handle the empties after reloading, he took the time to line them up in a row. At the shooting range, it was it was the practice of the time to line the empties in a row after emptying the revolver.

Had he just loaded his revolver instead of lining up those empties, he may have been able to......

In another incident in another state, after a rest area shooting, a mortally wounded state trooper was found in a rest area bathroom. In the toilet were 6 empty hulls from his revolver.

At his shooting range empties and duds were placed in barrel of water.
 
HR Funk's review and demonstration: [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEoaeR-zghI&t=835s[/ame]

While I don't regularly carry a revolver out and about, I use speedstrips for the flatness in the pocket. The above review saved me the cost of testing the 3 and 3 system. It is unique, I appreciate the effort and engineering, but its not for me.
 
Like anything else, there's a, (short), learning curve with Zeta's. The added bonus for me, the K packs and strips fit my new model Colt King Cobra.
 
One of the more tragic things about that incident was what was found next to that officer.
He was found lying close to the passenger rear wheel of his cruiser.
On the ground and in front of the rear tire were 6 spent cartridges neatly lined in a row.
Not only did he handle the empties after reloading, he took the time to line them up in a row. At the shooting range, it was it was the practice of the time to line the empties in a row after emptying the revolver.

Had he just loaded his revolver instead of lining up those empties, he may have been able to......

In another incident in another state, after a rest area shooting, a mortally wounded state trooper was found in a rest area bathroom. In the toilet were 6 empty hulls from his revolver.

At his shooting range empties and duds were placed in barrel of water.

I saw VA state police dash cam footage of an trooper engaging a suspect during a traffic stop after the suspect exited the car and started shooting as the trooper was approaching the vehicle. The trooper drew and fired his service pistol but experienced a stoppage after a few rounds. At that point he kept his pistol pointing safely down range, held up his left hand and turned to look for the range officer.

That was the moment the VA State police realized they had a massive training problem.

Under extreme stress, people do what they are trained to do.
 
I'll add a little more about my opinions of the K-Pak.

On the "pro" side, they fit well in the watch pocket on jeans and pants that have them, with both .38 and .357 Magnum. They fit a watch pocket better than a speed strip as they are a little shorter and don't stick out, but are instead flush with the top of the pocket.

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They are also about 50% faster on a full reload than a speed strip (and I've covered my negative opinion on a tactical top off with a revolver using a speed strip in the real world - load all six, either dumping what's left or shooting it dry first)

On the "con" side, given the space you have in front of an IWB or OWB revolver holster, a slip over style speed loader carrier with 2, 3, or 4 rounds inside the belt fills that space and rounds out the curve a bit so it doesn't really increase the profile or bulge that much, so there isn't much trade off just going with a speed loader.

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They also require quite a bit more practice than a speed loader or a speed strip. On my Model 66, I need to be dropping the first three rounds in angled slightly away from the pistol with the base do the K Pak down in the space between the grip and the recoil shield. Then rotate the cylinder slightly into the frame to clear the way for the outside three.

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What ever you carry make sure the revolver, loader and ammo combination works.

For example, and 586 size HKS speed loaders work fine on my 7 shot 686 with Pachmayr compact grips and .357 Mag ammo, but the combination of Model 10 size HKS speed loaders and .357 Mag doesn't work on my Model 66 with Pachmayr compact grips. The loader binds against the grip with the longer .357 ammo. It works with .38 Special as it's just enough shorter to let it angle past the grip. But .357 Mag is a no bueno situation and will lock it up tight.

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Safariland Comp II speed loaders however work just fine.

So what ever you carry, fully test it to make sure it works.

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