What in the wide world of sports is going on here

IAM Rand said:
They aren't even really doing much. They took the Legend and necked it to make the 6mm Max, the necked the 6Arc to make the 22Arc, and they necked down the 6.5 Creedmoor to make a 22 Creedmoor. This feels much like Hollywood these days. All they do is take old movies and redo them. They may make a couple of changes but overall, it is the same ole thing with pearls on it.

It might be nice to have someone start from scratch and come up with a whole new cartridge that is not based upon something else.
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I would opine that the 6.8 x 51/277 Fury is probably the closest thing to just that ("...a whole new cartridge that is not based upon something else."), BUT...

Outside of the obvious military application who really NEEDS that level of performance (@ 80K psi!)?:eek:

Cheers!

P.S. I think my ol' 270 WIN (in a Ruger Ultralight) or a 308 (in a PA-10) ought to be enough to handle anything I would be likely to encounter... If I want to get more historic there's the 30-30 and if I REALLY want to get Neanderthal on it there's the Rolling Block in 7mm Mauser!:rolleyes:
 
STORMINORMAN said:
P.S. I think my ol' 270 WIN (in a Ruger Ultralight) or a 308 (in a PA-10) ought to be enough to handle anything I would be likely to encounter... If I want to get more historic there's the 30-30 and if I REALLY want to get Neanderthal on it there's the Rolling Block in 7mm Mauser!:rolleyes:
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The .270 is a good example of versatility. With the proper bullet, it remains fully adequate for hunting everything from varmints up to anything found in the lower 48. Very few need anything else.
 
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I have to admit, I like new stuff, but there is such a thing as “too much of a good thing.” My thoughts and opinions won’t change the minds of the manufacturers who have to meet a payroll every week and plan for their futures, but recent developments have changed how I intend to operate from now on. If there is any doubt about availability of necessary components (for rifles, usually cartridge brass), I intend to factor in the cost of enough supplies to wear out the barrel, or come close to it.

Three hundred pieces of brass, or a similar amount of ammunition that can be reloaded, for the bigger powder burners might be a good place to start. If I can’t get enthusiastic about spending the money for that, it’s a non-starter, for me.

It’s foolish to think we haven’t learned important things about rifles and cartridges in the last 50-100 years, but how significant what we’ve learned actually is, in terms of spending one’s hard-earned money, will be a matter of judgment for the individual. I’m perfectly happy with stuff designed in my youth, fifty years ago - when I couldn’t afford to buy it. :D
 
DWalt said:
The .270 is a good example of versatility. With the proper bullet, it remains fully adequate for hunting everything from varmints up to anything found in the lower 48. Very few need anything else.
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My father was always a big fan of the 270 WCF. I grew up on a 270. When I got older I kinda lost my mind and got a 7mm mag. Mainly because it was a S&W1500. Then I felt the need to go even larger, 300 WM. Then I had to go EVEN smaller, 6 ARC. Last but, not least. back to the 270 with a Savage 110 Hunter.

I came full circle. At this point I think my stable if full. The one thing I was not particularly happy with was a bunch of videos of people using the 22 Creedmoor for deer. I have to say that I was impress with the outcomes but, still. In CO you have to have a minimum of 6mm/.243 and 75gr for deer and Pronghorn. 85+ for Elk. I did take a nice buck with my ARC but, not sure I would want to use it on an elk
 
I think many hunters today have been swept up with the array of newer calibers available and have forgotten (or never knew) about the versatility of the .270 offered by the use of appropriate bullets and loadings. But you do have to load your own to tailor your ammunition for any special needs.
 
Back in the last century I had a 7mm Ackley improved with a 29" barrel built on an Arisaka action. The rifle was ugly but I'm still convinced it was one of the most practical calibers ever devised. It was just more rifle than I needed for Ohio. Last I heard it was still seeing regular use in Colorado.
 
I've been a fan of the 6mm Creedmoor since the first time i read about. Back in my days of varmint rifles and killing vermin out west, I was always looking and reading about wildcat cartridges and wishing I could afford to have guns built to shoot them. One cartridge I was enamored with was the 6mm/250 Ackley Improved. The 6 Creedmoor is pretty much the same case with not quite as much shoulder angle. I bought a Savage 110 Tactical in 6 Creedmoor a couple years ago. It shot so well, I bought another. Both guns shoot 70 to 110 grain bullets great. I have 70 Speer hollow point load for varmints and a 110 grain Hornady A Tip load for bang steel out to a thousand yards. I haven't found a bullet that these two guns won't shoot well with very little load development.
And NOW we have the 6 and 22 ARC....another rabbit hole to jump into. :D:confused:
 
teletech said:
We're getting pretty close to viable magnetic guns:
$3,375 Electromagnetic Gun Declared "A Serious Weapon" During Expert Range Report (Updated)
In the intervening year, even better designs have surfaced, though more on the DIY side than a completed item.
The government will eventually start wanting to regulate them, but they are made out of such common components it's going to be even harder than trying to pay catch-up on the 80% thing.
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As a sci-fi author who has researched and written about railguns, it's true they could end up being very simple to make, especially as battery and capacitor technology gets better. But the U.S. government will deem them illegal. It's also very easy to make ANFO bombs, or thermite, or different kinds of poison gas...it's just not legal to do so.
 
Its all BS!! 22LR 22mag...38special/45acp..2250....3006....308....12ga can get 99% of what needs 2b done DONE! ...I honestly dont own most of these calibers but that does mean a 17hmr or 10mm or a 6.5 creedmore is better...its just the spice of life....enjoy
 
IAM Rand said:
They aren't even really doing much. They took the Legend and necked it to make the 6mm Max, they necked the 6Arc to make the 22Arc, and they necked down the 6.5 Creedmoor to make a 22 Creedmoor. This feels much like Hollywood these days. All they do is take old movies and redo them. They may make a couple of changes but overall, it is the same ole thing with pearls on it.

It might be nice to have someone start from scratch and come up with a whole new cartridge that is not based upon something else.
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They took the .30-06 and necked it down to 25, .27 and blew it out to 35.

They took the .250-3000 Savage and necked it down to .22, and enlarged it to .308.

This has been going on for a few decades. Sometimes they find something that works and it sticks around. Sometimes it falls by the wayside.

And by “they”, I mean wildcatters.

Kevin
 
Speaking of the 6.5 creedmore is it really much different than a 6.5x55 Swedish?
 
I prefer to associate with the men that dedicate their time to re-inventing the wheel, rather than the men that dedicate their time to stopping it.
 
DWalt said:
Distinctions without a difference. At most a half-dozen different cartridges each for handguns and rifles should fill all needs, real or imagined. And the same is true for about every other product you can name from alarm clocks to oil filters. Problem is people are born with a craving for variety.
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Need and want are two different things. If someone wants a new cartridge for some small advantage nothing wrong with that. I was hoping the 30 SC would catch on for the increased capacity but it didn't happen.

But I totally get how frustrating it can be when things get needlessly complicated when all you want is something simple that works.

At least guns themselves can still be operated without a touch screen. I probably shouldn't say that out loud, someone might think having to enter a password, find the fire menu, press the fire button and then the "Are you sure?" confirmation button would make a great "safety" feature.
 
Yep not a lot new under the sun...when I got my first 22 Varminter(later called 22-250) I had lots of 30-06 cases...made Varminter brass from it...early 60s. I just found some of that old brass. Necked it up to 250-3000 so I could shoot the Savage 99 I got this year. Annealed it first but didn't lose a case
 
Sad thing about the .270 is it took so many years to finally produce a 140 grain bullet. If the new boutique cartridges make money they will stay. If not, they will go. Try to find any of the Winchester short magnums in a store. Not happening. But one can still find 243, 270, 30-06, 308, 300 Win mag, and 22-250. Hunting in the lower 48 not much else is needed. I handload, so My go to is a 264 Win Mag pre 64 Westerner.
 
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