29-10 Classic vs Glock 22 for outdoors gun

Which way?

  • Glock 22 with hardcast, coated ammo

    Votes: 17 23.0%

  • S&W 29-10 4”

    Votes: 57 77.0%
  • Total voters
    74
Without knowing your current shooting skills, or how you've reacted to a charging animal, I'd try a 44 mag, the G20 and my choice, a G20 or "G40", at the range.
Hard cast for sure.
Fire them as fast as you can at a B27 target, at 15yds.
Can you keep them all inside the 7 ring?
 
shawn mccarver said:
Glock 20 with heavy 10mm ammo, yes. Glock 22, not so much. The original Norma solid (200 grain at 1,200 fps if I recall) makes a dandy outdoor gun for heavy creatures and drug people who roam the woods these days. So, in order of preference, Glock 20 only with heavy ammo (check Buffalo Bore), the Model 29, and dead last, the Glock 22. I just don't think .40 S&W ammo is up to the task.
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The experience of an Alaskan guide putting down a grizzly with his S&W 3953 loaded with Buffalo Bore HC suggests that .40 S&W HC or bonded hunting bullets will be sufficient for the black bears, coyotes, and mountain lions in Utah. Heck, JHP will be perfectly sufficient for the latter two. Even very large examples of male mountain lions are generally under 200lbs, and they're not heavily built for ramming things like hogs are.

One could propose that the bear would've went down faster with .44 Magnum, but shot placement still matters, and that .40 S&W offers faster follow up shots and more capacity if the first shot doesn't get it done.
 
6518John said:
A Model 29 verses a Glock in 40 S&W (short and weak)!?? If the Glock wins out Lee needs to close this forum and merge with Glock Talk!
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Nothing wrong with a Model 29.
I carry a 4" Model 69 occasionally.
I also like the Glock 22.
However .40 "short and weak" is interwebz bologna.
Plenty of Hardcast Specialty Loads available for both.

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Beju said:
The experience of an Alaskan guide putting down a grizzly with his S&W 3953 loaded with Buffalo Bore HC suggests that .40 S&W HC or bonded hunting bullets will be sufficient for the black bears, coyotes, and mountain lions in Utah. Heck, JHP will be perfectly sufficient for the latter two. Even very large examples of male mountain lions are generally under 200lbs, and they're not heavily built for ramming things like hogs are.

One could propose that the bear would've went down faster with .44 Magnum, but shot placement still matters, and that .40 S&W offers faster follow up shots and more capacity if the first shot doesn't get it done.
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Well aware of the Alaskan guide and the 9mm. The one in a thousand case does not change my mind.

Certainly, a 15-shot 10mm with a heavy load will give fast follow-up shots, each with much more power than the 9mm or .40 Short & Weak. The 44 Magnum is also a great choice. If you think the .40 S&W is better than 10mm or 44 Magnum, well go for it.
 
shawn mccarver said:
Well aware of the Alaskan guide and the 9mm. The one in a thousand case does not change my mind.

Certainly, a 15-shot 10mm with a heavy load will give fast follow-up shots, each with much more power than the 9mm or .40 Short & Weak. The 44 Magnum is also a great choice. If you think the .40 S&W is better than 10mm or 44 Magnum, well go for it.
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There are no solutions, only trade-offs.

Though heck, I'm going to say that a 9mm/40S&W duty sized pistol is a better choice than .44 Magnum for defense against coyotes and mountain lions. Mountain lions are fast ambush predators, while coyotes are fast and can come in packs. Black bear, I'd want a hardcast round that's been vetted in my pistol, but they average far smaller than Alaskan grizzlies. Females are usually 150-200 lbs, and males 225-300 lbs.

Now, on the off chance that I encounter a regional record breaking black bear, then 10mm starts to have more appeal.
 
To be honest, have never had a desire for any Glock. Only have 1 poly pistol to my name. Do have a 6" 29-3 though. Bob
 
Whoever is selling you the 29-10, send them my way if you don't go that way. I'll take it for that price. Either or, you would do good with both. It is more important that you get good hits than having a UUUUuge gun. Just look at the Native lady that took down a griz with a 22. Location, location, location.
 
My 2 cents. It will take a bit of practice to be reasonably proficient with either gun mentioned. First time shooter, so guessing not a reloader. 40 S&W practice ammo a little over a third the cost of .44 Mag. .40 S&W is more than enough cartridge for Utah. If possible, OP should find a range and actually shoot both guns. It's great to talk about fast followup shots but you got to hit something vital with them.

I carried a M329 loaded with 260gr .44 Mags all day every day for the better part of a decade here in Montana (later the M69 and now a 40 S&W Kahr), because they are always with me. My plan is to wait until threat is at bad breath range and put one on target (thankfully, my ability do that under stress has never tested).

Don't stress over the choice, either will work.

FWIW,

Paul
 
Buy the 29, keep it in a secure location and get an old 38 special to hike with in Utah. Failing that, a glock 19. The 29 is way too nice to get beat up hiking around with and probable overkill for what you might encounter.

The exceptions would be if your clothes stink like blood, you have a fascination with playing with baby animals or look for grower sights and hang outs.
 
29 by a country mile.

Cooler, way more powerful, better for long range, and just "proper" for a woods gun.

I have a -2 with magna elks and it packs beautifully in a Kramer scabbard. Pretty much the perfect woods gun.
 
consumer_ignorance said:
Hi all,

From first blush, this might be a silly question, but I’m considering two options for a lower 48 (Utah) mountain/hiking gun and I’d love some input.

I’m deciding between a 29-10 Classic (I have a beautiful deal in my lap for a LNIB 29-10 for $780). 4” barrel, nice stocks, immaculate condition. I’d get a Kenai chest rig and use it as a hiking gun.

The alternative is a Glock 22 Gen 4 police trade-in. All told (duty holster, ammo, gun) I’ll be in it about $550, which is a great deal. The gun will be $300 OTD. I found some really nice ammo that’ll be good outdoor ammo in it (170 grain lead bullet @ 1200 FPS via Lost River ammo).

The Smith is much more powerful and infinitely cooler/nicer, but the Glock has a lot of practicality going its weigh (capacity, weight, cost, shootability).

If you were me - how good of a deal would you consider the 29? And which way would you lean? I’m asking here because I’m leaning toward the Glock, but I want a defense the other way, if such a thing exists.

Thanks all!
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Yep, silly question. At my house, 12 S&W revolvers to 1 Glock. Don't shoot the Glock. In fact, I have 2 S&W autos that Ido shoot. It's really 14 to one I guess.
 
Being no fan of modern S&W revolvers, it's kind of a tough call from a practical standpoint. The 29 sounds like a great deal, would probably hold it's value better and be more salable in the future. But current quality problems at S&W would give be pause.

I'd probably land on the Glock. Even though the S&W has much more cool factor, potential problems with it and the increased weight would tip the scales. For me.

If the question were about a range toy, the Smith would probably be my choice.
 
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For practical application, the G22 makes more sense. A police trade-in G22 can be had for just over $300, often in Like New Condition, and the "Short & Weak" moniker is just lame internet hyperbole which is often unironically parroted by guys who fancy 10mm yet the ammo they shoot is 180grs @ 1000fps. Or perhaps in this case, guys who shoot .44 Special out of the Model 29s that is likewise 180grs @ 1000fps.

That being said, a Model 29 is an iconic, beautiful, and powerful Revolver which you certainly won't regret purchasing. As previously stated, a 180gr .44 Special load will equal the performance of .40 S&W, while a full-power 240gr .44 Magnum will leave it in the dust traveling at 1500fps. So if you need that kind of power, accept no substitutions.
 
Bella Twin was a calm, quiet, clear-headed Cree woman with a trap line. May 10, 1957, she killed a massive grizzly bear with her Cooey Ace #1 . 22. That was near Slave Lake, Alberta, and the bear Twin killed turned out to be a world record that stood for a good long time.

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