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I agree 100%. If I were there, I also would be dead whether I did anything or not. But, given the chance, I feel confident I could hit the target as well. I carry G19 Gen 5 MOS with Holosun SCS.
The unavoidable gun fight. Are you confident with your handgun choice?
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I always hear that excuse. I shoot my hicap's the same way I shoot my revolvers. I used to shoot PPC and bullseye before that. I can solve a lot of problems with a lot of well placed shots. The trick is the speed / accuracy equation.
Aim small, miss small.
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Folks have different ideas regarding training and practice, which is fine.
Over the years I came to start my range sessions (when working the range) with a cold drill. Sometimes it was with a duty weapon, and sometimes it was with whatever off-duty weapon I'd brought along. I made that assessment cold drill something that was uncomfortable and difficult, right out of the chute. Something I didn't 'feel like doing'.
It's one thing to 'warm up' and get in the groove, but the real world seldom gives warning and time for 'warm ups'.
Practice, practice and practice some more. My goal was to practice until it became a ritual that those first few cold shots couldn't miss, no matter how tired, cold or miserable I might be feeling, or how bad the weather was on our outdoor range, etc. The hoped for destination was where unconscious competence happened.
Too many folks who came through the range had to look to see if they were getting accurate hits, and needed shot-by-shot validation to build their confidence. Too many of people seem as though they're practicing their ability to miss.
What if that first shot is the only shot you'll have time to make?
Over the years I came to start my range sessions (when working the range) with a cold drill. Sometimes it was with a duty weapon, and sometimes it was with whatever off-duty weapon I'd brought along. I made that assessment cold drill something that was uncomfortable and difficult, right out of the chute. Something I didn't 'feel like doing'.
It's one thing to 'warm up' and get in the groove, but the real world seldom gives warning and time for 'warm ups'.
Practice, practice and practice some more. My goal was to practice until it became a ritual that those first few cold shots couldn't miss, no matter how tired, cold or miserable I might be feeling, or how bad the weather was on our outdoor range, etc. The hoped for destination was where unconscious competence happened.
Too many folks who came through the range had to look to see if they were getting accurate hits, and needed shot-by-shot validation to build their confidence. Too many of people seem as though they're practicing their ability to miss.
What if that first shot is the only shot you'll have time to make?
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I suppose you could use a gun in a self-defense scenario, but you might miss out on the rich pleasure of beating the guy to death with your bare hands.
Shoot me in the head? I'm old. You'd be doing me a favor.
Shoot me in the head? I'm old. You'd be doing me a favor.
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Brother I get that, but the chance of there being multiple assailants is always there and 5 may not be enough to finish the job. Alpha Hotels have been know to travel in herds.
That's weird. Most people I know in service (LEO/MIL) usually have a good sense of humour
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Some people remind me of Capt. William J. Fetterman who said
"Give me eighty men and I’ll ride through the whole Sioux Nation.”
On December 21, 1866 he got his 80 men and road out to meet Red Cloud's Sioux nation, who annihilated every one of them in just 20 minutes.
and this was a guy who had been in several Civil war battles and promoted for gallantly
"Give me eighty men and I’ll ride through the whole Sioux Nation.”
On December 21, 1866 he got his 80 men and road out to meet Red Cloud's Sioux nation, who annihilated every one of them in just 20 minutes.
and this was a guy who had been in several Civil war battles and promoted for gallantly
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Sense of humor has no place when it comes to getting shot. As I said before, if you take getting shot lightly, then you have never been shot. In case you have never thought about it, getting shot can kill you. That is kind of a serious end result.That's weird. Most people I know in service (LEO/MIL) usually have a good sense of humour
Have a nice day!
Slight technological mismatch there though, coupled with poor training, with lax discipline and loose deployment that allowed the Sioux to engage and defeat them in detail.
Repeaters would help, but fire control and squad cohesion win that for fetterman if he’d insisted on them.
So let me get this straight. You have never known anyone who has served, who has joked specifically about life and death? There is no dark humour to be had by LEO, MIL, prison guards, medical personnel?
I'm starting to wonder if you have even served.
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Of course I have known a lot of people who served alongside me that joked about life and death. The difference comes after one has been shot and comes close to death, then it's not a joke anymore, even in the context of what was written that set me off. People take the thought of getting shot too lightly, and joke about it. Once you experience it, it takes all of the humor out of it. When it happens twice and you lose parts of your body due to bullet damage and in my case carrying a ChiCom 7.62 bullet in my lower back for over 57 years there is not the slightest bit of humor in it. I could show you my retired ID, but the VA ID probably says more.
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Ms. Teri, my post was not meant to cause you offence, nor was it targeted specifically at you. I can understand it being a sore point to have permanent damage from something, especially during your era (which I assume is Vietnam era) when troops came home to not such a nice welcome. While I have personally known people who have suffered permanent injury in service and they still were able to joke about it, I understand that may not be the case for everyone. I have heard many troops returning stateside, say that their divorce was rougher on them than killing people, being shot, or PTSD from service. While we are at it, I also know a cop who said that his case of gout was more painful than the 357 magnum he took on duty. Your personal lived experience is just as valid as theirs is, and I do not think one can say that either coping mechanism is 'wrong'.
That being said, my own personal coping mechanism does tend towards dark humour. If you can laugh at all of life's ills, including death himself, your burden is much lighter for it. I understand that you may not necessarily appreciate this, but anything I say is not an automatic personal attack towards you, nor does it minimise your injuries in service (which I had no way of knowing previously).
Hidalgo County Sheriff's officers Ali Salinas and Chon Trujillo were both hit by 9mm rounds seconds apart (fired by David Van Horn), Ali in the forehead, Chon in his shoulder. Both survived; neither joke about shootings.
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In 30 years of service, all of it in Aviation from an aircraft mechanic in Viet Nam to a Master Army Aviator, Instructor Pilot, Maintenance Officer, Test Pilot there was a lot to joke about, but getting shot was not one of them. I guess it never will be. I can only hope that nobody here has gone through the trauma or will ever have to go through the trauma, but unfortunately the way things are going these days it's not something to joke about. Could happen to you or someone you know doing something innocent but in the sights of a wacko or undercover insurgent. I find it interesting that so many of these shooters end up dead, and I might add, rightly so. I also have to wonder what their incentive was, but as we all know, "Dead people tell no tales."
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His personal discipline was a major problem, but repeaters and squad cohesion would not have made one bit of difference unless the repeaters were a bunch of M16s. He rode into a well setup ambush where he was outnumbered by a factor of almost 30 to one. Custer was another guy with poor personal discipline who never learned anything from Fetterman
His personal discipline was a major problem, but repeaters and squad cohesion would not have made one bit of difference unless the repeaters were a bunch of M16s. He rode into a well setup ambush where he was outnumbered by a factor of almost 30 to one. Custer was another guy with poor personal discipline who never learned anything from Fetterman
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Prison Guards have NO sense of humor. Actually, that's not true, it is just so dark, twisted, and sick that they only really let loose with each other. Any humor one gets out of them has been sanitized out of respect and caution of being labeled and outcast of society. Walk around in a sewer long enough you start to smell like poo.
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Hey Sgt. Buzzard, I just got my hands on a 637, how do these lightweights hold up with heavy use?
The case I mentioned with David Van Horn shooting two deputies....he had actually tortured an old couple, then burned one to death to rob them before leaving and eventually shooting the two deputies. He stole another car, but NMSP Sgt. Bob Nelson pursued him, stopped him, and convinced him to drop the 9mm which was pointing at Bob's position. He pled straight up to first degree murder and a bushel of other charges.
NMSP Officer Mike Avilucea distracted, then took a cocked, unlocked 1911 from a drunk, angry, suicidal man (Lloyd Rhodes) who had shot at Officer Jerry Turner, missing him by inches but blowing gravel fragments through Turner's uniform. This was within arm's reach and at great personal risk.
Don't assume that cops always, or even generally, kill cop-shooters and murderers - it's not true, and it downplays the courage of average officers who go far out of their way to avoid killing while making even very dangerous arrests, even when a killing would be legally justifiable.
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You have obviously mistaken my comment about dead people tell no tales. Many of these active shooters die via, "suicide, taking their own lives, or suicide by cop." Unfortunately, when that happens, there is no way to verify what or who induced them to commit the crime. It becomes unscientific guess work fueled by comments and innuendo from people who knew the individual and either knew them to be a loose cannon, but not mentioning it to anyone, or conversely and even more confusing, a nice person who others would never guess would do something like they did.
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