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Colorado Forced To Defend Controversial Gas Stove Warning Law in Court


DENVER (KDVR) — The Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers is taking the state to court in a First Amendment lawsuit aimed at stopping a new law that would require warning labels on gas stoves.


The law went into effect on Wednesday, one of hundreds of new laws that came into effect, and requires the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment to establish a page with "credible, evidence-based information on the health impacts of gas-fueled stoves."

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Colorado Forced To Defend Controversial Gas Stove Warning Law in Court - Rocky Mountain Voice

DENVER (KDVR) — The Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers is taking the state to court in a First Amendment lawsuit aimed at stopping a new law that would require warning labels on gas stoves. The law went into effect on Wednesday, one of hundreds of new laws that came into effect, and...
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Retired W4 said:
I wonder how many Colorado legislator who voted for that law have gas stoves in THEIR kitchens.
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Did they actually vote for that specifically, or did they do like Virginia does (*spit* took away my vote on the issues) and passed a law that their state would follow whatever environmental laws or regulations California passes?
Remembering how dirty our highways, skies and waterways were growing up in Maryland in the 40's and 50's, we certainly had a need for the EPA then, and things have gotten much better for it, but at some point, we have to stop chasing tiny diminishing returns for money spent without scientific proof of need. We don't have enough money or alternatives to drive known pollutants, never mind possible pollutants, to zero. I don't know about you, but I like having manufactured shelter, clothing and great food, and really do not want to live naked in a cave and grub for worms with a sharp stick to survive.
 
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If you use a gas stove, (and I do) without the hood fan running, it certainly leads to an unhealthy release of CO into the living space. That said, I grew up with the only heat in the house being unvented gas space heaters...and I am an old man. That said, informing people about the issue is not a terrible idea.
 
Well my thought (and) who cares is if one does not have a clue about gas stoves it could possibly thin the herd as bad as that sounds. Because of Kalifornia small 2 cycle engines do not have an adjustable carburetor. Ask me how I know...
 
If a new law gets by the courts we will not have to worry much about this. Starting a few years the state does not want to allow gas or oil heat/ hot water or dryers to be used in new construction. They in their infinite knowledge want to only have total electric house/apartments. :mad:

If I understand it right it will after a time not being able to replace present gas devices, you will have to upgrade to electric.
 
I am an old retired master plumber and master gas fitter. When I built my current house, in the mid 90s I chose to go all gas. I have since changed out all of my appliances with electric, except the range/oven. I like cooking with gas. Since I have a 500 gallon propane tank, and the stove doesn't use but about 20 gallons a year, I will end my life with my preferred method of cooking. I will say that if I only have the tea pot going on the smallest burner, the hood is running because I prefer fresh air.

What will be interesting is to see what happens in commercial kitchens if gas falls completely from grace. It would cost a bundle to swap over to electric and the cooks would all have little hissie fits. When I was a kid, a common saying, when someone approved of the way you were doing a task was, "Now you are cooking with gas!" (is my age showing?)

Something else that makes me want to smile, is that the electric generating plant in my city is fired by natural gas, so if you are cooking with electric, you are still cooking with gas.
 
Are they going to put warning on knives and forks, they can cause obesity. That law was signed by a Californian masquerading as a Colorado Governor. Just sayin. Most of the crazy stuff happening here in Colorado is because of Cali. I hear this song and all I can do is dream they will all go back.

 
65-2x2 said:
If you use a gas stove, (and I do) without the hood fan running, it certainly leads to an unhealthy release of CO into the living space. That said, I grew up with the only heat in the house being unvented gas space heaters...and I am an old man.
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Most of us "of a certain age" (unspecified!) probably grew up in "unhealthy" environments but our houses were not as well sealed or insulated as they are now, so we had a degree of "ventilation" to reduce the exposure.
65-2x2 said:
That said, informing people about the issue is not a terrible idea.
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Adding a label should be no big deal. But isn't that information in the instruction.installation manual already? And you'd think the installer would also mention it to the homeowner. You can only go so far with warning labels (Propostion 65, I'm looking at YOU) to protect people from their own ignorance.

One thing that might have an effect would be for home insurance and life insurance policies clearly stating that coverage would be null and void if the cause of illness/damage/death is clearly caused by failure to follow.safety instructions. Git ed-ja-ma-cated or it coud cost ya big time.

The question of "credible, evidence-based information on the health impacts of gas-fueled stoves" has to include the conditions of operation and should probably be separate from climate-change effects.
 
65-2x2 said:
If you use a gas stove, (and I do) without the hood fan running, it certainly leads to an unhealthy release of CO into the living space. That said, I grew up with the only heat in the house being unvented gas space heaters...and I am an old man. That said, informing people about the issue is not a terrible idea.
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Apologies, but this is not generally true. Burning natural gas produces a negligible amount of CO in normal atmosphere. CO is produced when combustion is incomplete.
 
NYlakesider said:
If a new law gets by the courts we will not have to worry much about this. Starting a few years the state does not want to allow gas or oil heat/ hot water or dryers to be used in new construction. They in their infinite knowledge want to only have total electric house/apartments. :mad:

If I understand it right it will after a time not being able to replace present gas devices, you will have to upgrade to electric.
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"UPGRADE"?? I don't think so...
 
I am happy California is so far from Florida. Here in Florida if California does something or passes a law our Governor recommends the opposite. We have a lot of New Yorkers down here and I am married to one but they are told when they come to not vote for the crap they just left NY to get away from. Seems most do that as the retied folks in the Villages vote republican and conservative every election.
 
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I have a suggested use for politicians who complain about an item common in most kitchens since long before most of us were born. Unfortunately, such a suggestion posted here would get me automatically banned from here until 2525.
 
NYlakesider said:
If a new law gets by the courts we will not have to worry much about this. Starting a few years the state does not want to allow gas or oil heat/ hot water or dryers to be used in new construction. They in their infinite knowledge want to only have total electric house/apartments. :mad:

If I understand it right it will after a time not being able to replace present gas devices, you will have to upgrade to electric.
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This is already happening in Bellingham WA. I believe you cannot install gas-burning appliances or furnaces/boilers in a new house. (Not sure about replacing existing.) I believe it is being challenged in court but not sure where that stands.
 
Just to highlight an important point, I think I should point out the dangerous gas they are worried about is Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2), not Carbon Monoxide (CO). NO2 is bad for your lungs - worse for young children according to the experts. It is produced by the complete burning of natural gas and propane. That's why I took the option recommended by the installer and had my propane supplementary heating unit blower-vented to the outside via an exhaust pipe up through the roof. Seems like good advice to use your gas stove's hood exhaust fan as suggested in Posts 5 and 8.
 
oldbrownhat said:
Most of us "of a certain age" (unspecified!) probably grew up in "unhealthy" environments but our houses were not as well sealed or insulated as they are now, so we had a degree of "ventilation" to reduce the exposure.

Adding a label should be no big deal. But isn't that information in the instruction.installation manual already? And you'd think the installer would also mention it to the homeowner. You can only go so far with warning labels (Propostion 65, I'm looking at YOU) to protect people from their own ignorance.

One thing that might have an effect would be for home insurance and life insurance policies clearly stating that coverage would be null and void if the cause of illness/damage/death is clearly caused by failure to follow.safety instructions. Git ed-ja-ma-cated or it coud cost ya big time.

The question of "credible, evidence-based information on the health impacts of gas-fueled stoves" has to include the conditions of operation and should probably be separate from climate-change effects.
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Adding a label is not big deal. Look at all the California "Everything causes cancer" warnings that are ignored now.
 
Well, I had an electric fire in 2018 (old, utility room refrigerator short circuited), in an old house with an electric stove and a fifty-gallon (I think) gas water heater. I had the house torn down and a new one built, and I insisted on a gas stove, gas HVAC/central heat, but a tankless water heater. I'm not cooking without gas, to paraphrase..........or heating my house in the winter.
 
65-2x2 said:
If you use a gas stove, (and I do) without the hood fan running, it certainly leads to an unhealthy release of CO into the living space. That said, I grew up with the only heat in the house being unvented gas space heaters...and I am an old man. That said, informing people about the issue is not a terrible idea.
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The products of complete production of Natural gas are heat, light, nitrogen, carbon DIOXIDE and oxygen. This is a normal blue flame with individual flame cones and all blue tips. Improper combustion is caused by a lack of air to the burner and causes a yellow flame that is not sharp, crisp or with well-defined flame cones. It acts like a candle in a slight breeze that wavers. That probably produces carbon Monoxide and aldehydes. It also doesn't completely burn odorant causing odors. Add to that the problem of most hoods being recirculating fans rather than exhaust fans.

The proponents of the law sealed gas stoves in a area with three feet above the stove and ran it for 8-10 hours. They then measured the amount of CO in the contained space. It was as scientific a test as injecting a quart of milk into baby rats to prove that milk is harmful to babies.
 
My mother told me she and her mother moved into the house I first lived in in 1940, had a nice new electric stove, my grandmother replaced with a gas stove. Then the War came....my mother said they had several blackouts, power shortages but always had the stove.
Biggest problem with gas stoves is people forget-or don't acquire-the skills need to light them, forget about gas leaks, etc.
 
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