Revolver vs. Semi Auto for CCW

I started out with revolvers in 1974 and I still carry one today — Custom 640 Bowen Classic . I tried a number of semi autos and really liked my first Gold Cup. I was a tanker in the Army, so the 1911 was standard issue for us along with an M3 grease gun. Eventually, I sold off my semi autos.
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I've said this a bunch of times before. I'm actually kind of curious, those of you who are cops if it ever happened to you, but when I was working as a security guard it was common for somebody to take one look at my gun and dare me to shoot them or tell me it wasn't real or tell me it wasn't loaded or tell me they were going to beat my ass and take it away.

But the second I pulled out that can of OC, I got instant compliance.

I want to clarify the above statement. I only ever pulled out my OC if I felt like there was a legitimate threat.

I'm fairly certain that I only ever actually threatened to spray somebody twice.

The first was a guy who was beating on his lady friend, I told him that if he didn't stop beating her I was going to spray him. They both left and from the top of the parking garage my partner and I watched the police arrest them a block and a half away.

The second was the guy who threatened me with the ax.

He said he was going to get his ax out of his shopping cart and cut my head off with it. While he was digging through his shopping cart looking for it I was on my radio with dispatch asking them to send the police and shaking up my can of Fox Labs.

The guy turns around with the ax in his hand he saw that I had a can of OC and he dropped the ax and backed up. It wasn't a minute or two later that the police arrived asked me if I wanted to press charges. My supervisor told the police and we were going to give the guy a trespass warning and ask him to leave.

I'm going to close this post with the same thing I say every time. I honestly believe that people don't think you'll really shoot them but they are absolutely convinced that you will spray them.
 
Said by a lot of dead people.
And what is your point? In a struggle which is better, the semi auto, the wheel gun, or maybe some derringer type device? Anybody can get sucker punched, but we try to avoid that, any movement when it comes can save your bacon, and allow you to pivot or move into a better position for defense. Old people should not let strangers get that close, my opinion of course, others may differ.

Every cop will have those struggles if they work long enough, especially when they make arrests without backup. I recall 2 in remote areas where my struggle was to survive and I was blessed. Death was actually pretty close. And I recall a few arrests with other officers present where the bad guy struggled for the guns. Not fun.

That is why officers train to retain the gun and that is why we use retention holsters. Not required for old guys carrying guns to Walmart and back, but everyday old people get attacked and some do not survive. All we can do is hide from the risk and minimize the risk. I see no real difference in whether one carries a small wheel gun or a small semi auto. Whatever works for that person.

When I became prosecutor, I was usually assigned those jury trials where an officer fought with suspects. I volunteered for those cases, but it was actually a good plan. The reason is because, having been there, when the suspects attorney would wander off into those areas about the officer being abusive or maybe making the suspects actions seem lesser of an offense, it was easy for me to walk both the officer and the defendant through the steps that led up to the officer being attacked.

I would probe each of them as to their position as the contact unfolded, presenting word pictures to the jury. The officer would explain why he might face his gun side away from the suspect and how the suspect rapidly approached and made threatening gestures, shifted his weight and then made physical contact with the officer.

It is pretty simple after the fact to describe why an officer took action when a threat was unfolding. And that is how I see gun retention for us old guys carrying guns for protection. We move away from contact when we can, and when it is imminent, we should be at the least shifting our weight and making our body positioned to where the perp cannot get a good hold on our gun. Again, nobody enjoys being shot in the foot, and they will not be following you very fast when you move away.

It is all academic on the forums, but thinking about keeping that distances and moving off the X I believe is helpful, if that attack ever comes.

My 2 cents.

My 2 cents.
 
I've said this a bunch of times before. I'm actually kind of curious, those of you who are cops if it ever happened to you, but when I was working as a security guard it was common for somebody to take one look at my gun and dare me to shoot them or tell me it wasn't real or tell me it wasn't loaded or tell me they were going to beat my ass and take it away.

But the second I pulled out that can of OC, I got instant compliance.

I want to clarify the above statement. I only ever pulled out my OC if I felt like there was a legitimate threat.

I'm fairly certain that I only ever actually threatened to spray somebody twice.

The first was a guy who was beating on his lady friend, I told him that if he didn't stop beating her I was going to spray him. They both left and from the top of the parking garage my partner and I watched the police arrest them a block and a half away.

The second was the guy who threatened me with the ax.

He said he was going to get his ax out of his shopping cart and cut my head off with it. While he was digging through his shopping cart looking for it I was on my radio with dispatch asking them to send the police and shaking up my can of Fox Labs.

The guy turns around with the ax in his hand he saw that I had a can of OC and he dropped the ax and backed up. It wasn't a minute or two later that the police arrived asked me if I wanted to press charges. My supervisor told the police and we were going to give the guy a trespass warning and ask him to leave.

I'm going to close this post with the same thing I say every time. I honestly believe that people don't think you'll really shoot them but they are absolutely convinced that you will spray them.


I think you may be right. I also think that security officers are often at greater risk than police. They know we have 40 guys available on the radio and they know they can go to jail in minutes.

They do not fear that from a security officer and many, especially the young ones get overly bold.


That guy with the ax would be at risk in my book, nothing funny about that. If he pulls it your option is to shoot and run until one of you stops. In one city where I was a prosecutor, local police killed 3 guys in about three years. All three were 911 calls alleging a guy attacking with a knife. All three were told 3 times to drop the knife and all 3 continued toward the officers knife in hand. All three died that day.

My boss the DA was fine with it, tell them 3 times and if they come toward the officer, shoot them until the knife is no longer a risk. I did not like that because they were mentally ill. I was a martial artist and pretty sure I could have disarmed them, or at the least, OC sprayed or tasered them. Thats aid, different jurisdictions have different rules.

Just do not let anyone rush you with a blade. Apparently you handled it perfectly.
 
Apparently you handled it perfectly.
I've told the story before but the dude was crazy. I was just south of South Academy in Colorado Springs at a place called Pinello Ranch. It belongs to the city and the City used it to do agricultural experiments.

I found the guy camping on the property. He said he had permission from the caretaker. Since the caretaker was known to do stupid things like that, I called it in and asked for clarification.

While I was waiting for clarification the guy told me that he owned all the land from Pinello Ranch to the New Mexico border because his mother has left it to him in her will and it basically everybody in Southern Colorado was trespassing on his land.

My supervisor called me back and told me that the caretaker had stated that the guy did not have permission to be camping on the property and I told him to leave. I also asked my supervisor to start police and he did.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, dude was yelling and screaming and fussing and fighting and telling me he's going to get his ax out of his shopping cart and cut my head off.

He actually turned his back on me and started digging through the shopping cart. I mean, I could have beaned him in the head with a rock and it would have all been over.

So I'm on the radio with dispatch giving them a blow-by-blow and shaking up my OC and, as I said above, he turned around and realized I had a can of spray in my hand and he dropped the ax.
 
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I've said this a bunch of times before. I'm actually kind of curious, those of you who are cops if it ever happened to you, but when I was working as a security guard it was common for somebody to take one look at my gun and dare me to shoot them or tell me it wasn't real or tell me it wasn't loaded or tell me they were going to beat my ass and take it away.

But the second I pulled out that can of OC, I got instant compliance.

I want to clarify the above statement. I only ever pulled out my OC if I felt like there was a legitimate threat.

I'm fairly certain that I only ever actually threatened to spray somebody twice.

The first was a guy who was beating on his lady friend, I told him that if he didn't stop beating her I was going to spray him. They both left and from the top of the parking garage my partner and I watched the police arrest them a block and a half away.

The second was the guy who threatened me with the ax.

He said he was going to get his ax out of his shopping cart and cut my head off with it. While he was digging through his shopping cart looking for it I was on my radio with dispatch asking them to send the police and shaking up my can of Fox Labs.

The guy turns around with the ax in his hand he saw that I had a can of OC and he dropped the ax and backed up. It wasn't a minute or two later that the police arrived asked me if I wanted to press charges. My supervisor told the police and we were going to give the guy a trespass warning and ask him to leave.

I'm going to close this post with the same thing I say every time. I honestly believe that people don't think you'll really shoot them but they are absolutely convinced that you will spray them.
There exists a percentage of people who are unaffected by spray, the outcome could be different than you expect.
 
My experience was the round I had carried in the chamber FOR MONTHS failed to fire. That one incident ruined me on auto loaders. I now carry a 6 shot snub nose revolver.
But I liked reading your examples
Perhaps your experience had more to do with your choice of ammo as opposed to the tool your using.
I have regularly carried a chambered round "FOR MONTHS" in my CCW and it has NEVER failed to fire when I cycled my ammo in a range session.
Or perhaps you neglected servicing your firearm as lubrication has a habit of "drying" over time. I don't know your experience, but I've been shooting for 50yrs. Ammo and maintenance are always the primary reasons for FTF.
 


Riggs should have had a revolver...lol

Let me amend my original post. #8 things that could go wrong with a pistol: Jet Li pulls your slide off.
 
I've said this a bunch of times before. I'm actually kind of curious, those of you who are cops if it ever happened to you, but when I was working as a security guard it was common for somebody to take one look at my gun and dare me to shoot them or tell me it wasn't real or tell me it wasn't loaded or tell me they were going to beat my ass and take it away.

But the second I pulled out that can of OC, I got instant compliance.

I want to clarify the above statement. I only ever pulled out my OC if I felt like there was a legitimate threat.

I'm fairly certain that I only ever actually threatened to spray somebody twice.

The first was a guy who was beating on his lady friend, I told him that if he didn't stop beating her I was going to spray him. They both left and from the top of the parking garage my partner and I watched the police arrest them a block and a half away.

The second was the guy who threatened me with the ax.

He said he was going to get his ax out of his shopping cart and cut my head off with it. While he was digging through his shopping cart looking for it I was on my radio with dispatch asking them to send the police and shaking up my can of Fox Labs.

The guy turns around with the ax in his hand he saw that I had a can of OC and he dropped the ax and backed up. It wasn't a minute or two later that the police arrived asked me if I wanted to press charges. My supervisor told the police and we were going to give the guy a trespass warning and ask him to leave.

I'm going to close this post with the same thing I say every time. I honestly believe that people don't think you'll really shoot them but they are absolutely convinced that you will spray them.
That's what I say about dogs. Most criminals (right or wrong) think you might not shoot. But a dog is more willing to bite so they tend to pay better attention to my GSD and Rottie than me with a pistol. Although they would be mistaken if they think I wasn't willing.
 
Newbe to the forum here, but thought another person adding their opinion might be okay.

I've carried both. Often for work and more so in daily life. I have a few of each as well as some long guns and enjoy maintaining relative competency with each one. I agree with all those who say the best one to carry is the one you are most comfortable using and that's advice you can take to the bank. For me, that happens to be a semi-auto. If more than one round is required my speed is better and accuracy more consistent on the subsequent rounds with the auto-loader than with a double-action wheel gun.

...just my 2¢
 
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Do not generally disagree, but using military or LEO as examples for handgun selection is an apples vs. oranges comparison. The "average" citizen is not in military combat against large forces all of whom have only the intention to kill you. Nor does the average citizen have the requirement to confront, capture, and place in custody a criminal; he or she only needs to cause aggression to cease.
Not exactly at all. In today's world armed gangs of more than one robber often are the norm not the exception and a revolver will get you killed in that situation that is why I like the firepower of the high cap pistol. You load it on Sunday and shoot it until the end of the month.
 
Not exactly at all. In today's world armed gangs of more than one robber often are the norm not the exception and a revolver will get you killed in that situation that is why I like the firepower of the high cap pistol. You load it on Sunday and shoot it until the end of the month.
Which gangs are you fighting? I mean, I'm way more worried about the lone tweaker than a group of armed dudes trying to grab my VW.
 
I'd love to see true stats on how many "multiple attacker" events stop when the leader/first guy gets dropped by a round. I read a lot of reports where the attackers flee once they've taken fire. Can you absolutely count on that? Of course not, but I'm betting the odds are that's how it would go down. Most two legged predators are bullies/cowards. They run in groups to show how macho they are and get group courage. Watching one of their peers getting hammered by a determined defender is likely to cause a change in attitude, especially if they're the next one staring down a tube. I had the experience of looking down the business end of a Colt Python in the hand of a psych patient-I can tell you, that .357 hole looked like the end of a sewer pipe😏
 
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There exists a percentage of people who are unaffected by spray, the outcome could be different than you expect.
This is true. My son had to get pepper sprayed and tasered in training. He said the pepper spray was worse. Some people even vomited from it. Who told me one guy stood there like nothing was happening. It's weird.
 
I'd love to see true stats on how many "multiple attacker" events stop when the leader/first guy gets dropped by a round. I read a lot of reports where the attackers flee once they've taken fire. Can you absolutely count on that? Of course not, but I'm betting the odds are that's how it would go down. Most two legged predators are bullies/cowards. They run in groups to show how macho they are and get group courage. Watching one of their peers getting hammered by a determined defender is likely to cause a change in attitude, especially if they're the next one staring down a tube. I had the experience of looking down the business end of a Colt Python in the hand of a psych patient-I can tell you, th at .357 hole looked like the end of a sewer pipe😏
I was once robbed while pumping gas. The only description I had for the police is he had white hands, a tan buckskin jacket and a shotgun with the biggest hole in the end I have ever seen.
 
This is true. My son had to get pepper sprayed and tasered in training. He said the pepper spray was worse. Some people even vomited from it. Who told me one guy stood there like nothing was happening. It's weird.
Decades ago I worked for the VA. Our "Police" were armed only with chemical mace. Problem was, chemical mace didn't work on folks "Under the influence" or violent psych patients. Guess who caused ALL the problems😏. Not to mention that if you fired it indoors everybody in the room got to "enjoy" it🙄.
 
This is true. My son had to get pepper sprayed and tasered in training. He said the pepper spray was worse. Some people even vomited from it. Who told me one guy stood there like nothing was happening. It's weird.
I seem to be somewhat immune to OC spray. I've had a face full of saber red and I wouldn't call it a faithful but I got caught in the bback blast of some UDAP jogger fogger. I noticed both but it didn't stop me.

I used to work with a guy that's been sprayed so many times in training that I mean I'm sure he feels it but you couldn't tell by looking at him
 
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