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And what is your point? In a struggle which is better, the semi auto, the wheel gun, or maybe some derringer type device? Anybody can get sucker punched, but we try to avoid that, any movement when it comes can save your bacon, and allow you to pivot or move into a better position for defense. Old people should not let strangers get that close, my opinion of course, others may differ.Said by a lot of dead people.
I've said this a bunch of times before. I'm actually kind of curious, those of you who are cops if it ever happened to you, but when I was working as a security guard it was common for somebody to take one look at my gun and dare me to shoot them or tell me it wasn't real or tell me it wasn't loaded or tell me they were going to beat my ass and take it away.
But the second I pulled out that can of OC, I got instant compliance.
I want to clarify the above statement. I only ever pulled out my OC if I felt like there was a legitimate threat.
I'm fairly certain that I only ever actually threatened to spray somebody twice.
The first was a guy who was beating on his lady friend, I told him that if he didn't stop beating her I was going to spray him. They both left and from the top of the parking garage my partner and I watched the police arrest them a block and a half away.
The second was the guy who threatened me with the ax.
He said he was going to get his ax out of his shopping cart and cut my head off with it. While he was digging through his shopping cart looking for it I was on my radio with dispatch asking them to send the police and shaking up my can of Fox Labs.
The guy turns around with the ax in his hand he saw that I had a can of OC and he dropped the ax and backed up. It wasn't a minute or two later that the police arrived asked me if I wanted to press charges. My supervisor told the police and we were going to give the guy a trespass warning and ask him to leave.
I'm going to close this post with the same thing I say every time. I honestly believe that people don't think you'll really shoot them but they are absolutely convinced that you will spray them.
I've told the story before but the dude was crazy. I was just south of South Academy in Colorado Springs at a place called Pinello Ranch. It belongs to the city and the City used it to do agricultural experiments.Apparently you handled it perfectly.
Ah, when going on the offence and committing a crime. No shell(s) left at the scene. Hence the LOL....
There exists a percentage of people who are unaffected by spray, the outcome could be different than you expect.I've said this a bunch of times before. I'm actually kind of curious, those of you who are cops if it ever happened to you, but when I was working as a security guard it was common for somebody to take one look at my gun and dare me to shoot them or tell me it wasn't real or tell me it wasn't loaded or tell me they were going to beat my ass and take it away.
But the second I pulled out that can of OC, I got instant compliance.
I want to clarify the above statement. I only ever pulled out my OC if I felt like there was a legitimate threat.
I'm fairly certain that I only ever actually threatened to spray somebody twice.
The first was a guy who was beating on his lady friend, I told him that if he didn't stop beating her I was going to spray him. They both left and from the top of the parking garage my partner and I watched the police arrest them a block and a half away.
The second was the guy who threatened me with the ax.
He said he was going to get his ax out of his shopping cart and cut my head off with it. While he was digging through his shopping cart looking for it I was on my radio with dispatch asking them to send the police and shaking up my can of Fox Labs.
The guy turns around with the ax in his hand he saw that I had a can of OC and he dropped the ax and backed up. It wasn't a minute or two later that the police arrived asked me if I wanted to press charges. My supervisor told the police and we were going to give the guy a trespass warning and ask him to leave.
I'm going to close this post with the same thing I say every time. I honestly believe that people don't think you'll really shoot them but they are absolutely convinced that you will spray them.
What kind of J is that ?I've carried several kinds of guns. I've settled on the Snub Revolver. A J Frame is always in my pocket. Most of the time a second J Frame is in my waist. Lately the 7 shot 817 Taurus has been in my waist. 12 rounds before a reload should do it.View attachment 789846
Perhaps your experience had more to do with your choice of ammo as opposed to the tool your using.My experience was the round I had carried in the chamber FOR MONTHS failed to fire. That one incident ruined me on auto loaders. I now carry a 6 shot snub nose revolver.
But I liked reading your examples
That's what I say about dogs. Most criminals (right or wrong) think you might not shoot. But a dog is more willing to bite so they tend to pay better attention to my GSD and Rottie than me with a pistol. Although they would be mistaken if they think I wasn't willing.I've said this a bunch of times before. I'm actually kind of curious, those of you who are cops if it ever happened to you, but when I was working as a security guard it was common for somebody to take one look at my gun and dare me to shoot them or tell me it wasn't real or tell me it wasn't loaded or tell me they were going to beat my ass and take it away.
But the second I pulled out that can of OC, I got instant compliance.
I want to clarify the above statement. I only ever pulled out my OC if I felt like there was a legitimate threat.
I'm fairly certain that I only ever actually threatened to spray somebody twice.
The first was a guy who was beating on his lady friend, I told him that if he didn't stop beating her I was going to spray him. They both left and from the top of the parking garage my partner and I watched the police arrest them a block and a half away.
The second was the guy who threatened me with the ax.
He said he was going to get his ax out of his shopping cart and cut my head off with it. While he was digging through his shopping cart looking for it I was on my radio with dispatch asking them to send the police and shaking up my can of Fox Labs.
The guy turns around with the ax in his hand he saw that I had a can of OC and he dropped the ax and backed up. It wasn't a minute or two later that the police arrived asked me if I wanted to press charges. My supervisor told the police and we were going to give the guy a trespass warning and ask him to leave.
I'm going to close this post with the same thing I say every time. I honestly believe that people don't think you'll really shoot them but they are absolutely convinced that you will spray them.
Not exactly at all. In today's world armed gangs of more than one robber often are the norm not the exception and a revolver will get you killed in that situation that is why I like the firepower of the high cap pistol. You load it on Sunday and shoot it until the end of the month.Do not generally disagree, but using military or LEO as examples for handgun selection is an apples vs. oranges comparison. The "average" citizen is not in military combat against large forces all of whom have only the intention to kill you. Nor does the average citizen have the requirement to confront, capture, and place in custody a criminal; he or she only needs to cause aggression to cease.
Which gangs are you fighting? I mean, I'm way more worried about the lone tweaker than a group of armed dudes trying to grab my VW.Not exactly at all. In today's world armed gangs of more than one robber often are the norm not the exception and a revolver will get you killed in that situation that is why I like the firepower of the high cap pistol. You load it on Sunday and shoot it until the end of the month.
This is true. My son had to get pepper sprayed and tasered in training. He said the pepper spray was worse. Some people even vomited from it. Who told me one guy stood there like nothing was happening. It's weird.There
There exists a percentage of people who are unaffected by spray, the outcome could be different than you expect.
I was once robbed while pumping gas. The only description I had for the police is he had white hands, a tan buckskin jacket and a shotgun with the biggest hole in the end I have ever seen.I'd love to see true stats on how many "multiple attacker" events stop when the leader/first guy gets dropped by a round. I read a lot of reports where the attackers flee once they've taken fire. Can you absolutely count on that? Of course not, but I'm betting the odds are that's how it would go down. Most two legged predators are bullies/cowards. They run in groups to show how macho they are and get group courage. Watching one of their peers getting hammered by a determined defender is likely to cause a change in attitude, especially if they're the next one staring down a tube. I had the experience of looking down the business end of a Colt Python in the hand of a psych patient-I can tell you, th at .357 hole looked like the end of a sewer pipe![]()
442 from 2015What kind of J is that ?
Is it an airlite 342pd
Decades ago I worked for the VA. Our "Police" were armed only with chemical mace. Problem was, chemical mace didn't work on folks "Under the influence" or violent psych patients. Guess who caused ALL the problemsThis is true. My son had to get pepper sprayed and tasered in training. He said the pepper spray was worse. Some people even vomited from it. Who told me one guy stood there like nothing was happening. It's weird.
I seem to be somewhat immune to OC spray. I've had a face full of saber red and I wouldn't call it a faithful but I got caught in the bback blast of some UDAP jogger fogger. I noticed both but it didn't stop me.This is true. My son had to get pepper sprayed and tasered in training. He said the pepper spray was worse. Some people even vomited from it. Who told me one guy stood there like nothing was happening. It's weird.