EDC comfort is often overlooked, made fun of and poo - poo'd. Sometimes people try in intimidate EDC-er's.

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I have been carrying for 50 years now and have learned a few things about every day carry and concealing a firearm and ammunition. I have never been in law enforcement so the art of concealment is even more important! In my old State, if you get reported for a gun "peeking out" even for second, you lost your permit! One of the most important points in carrying concealed is that what ever gun, caliber, and rig you are using is comfortable enough for ALL day carry. Simply stated, if your rig is annoying, uncomfortable, tight, too lose, etc. to the point where it's annoying, too heavy or bulky you will tend to not have it on your person all the time, in a desk drawer, in a glove compartment, etc. which IMHO is not where it belongs. To me, a concealed weapon belongs on your person all the time when out of the house. If only carried on your person 95% of the time - well you know Murphy's Law..... The one time you need it, it might not be readily accessible.

I have read many articles, have personally heard from different people that they would only carry a gun chambered in a caliber starting with a 4. That would mean .41 mag, 44 spl, Mag, 45 Colt or acp. In semi auto's we are referring to 40 S&W and I'll include 10mm which is basically a .40 caliber Mag. Those guns are large, heavy and bulky and downright uncomfortable for many to EDC all day long, IMHO. Maybe for an hour or two but if one is a working man, businessman, professional or executive in a public environment, I don't really understand how one could wear a gun that weighs that much and is that big in comfort all day long while still being properly concealed. If the gun is uncomfortable it will eventually be taken off and left somewhere. I believe that comfort is often over looked as being very important!

I have also heard the phrase, "dress around the gun". I am not in agreement with that. I believe a gun to be carried should fit in with normal dress code for the environment, venue, temperature and climate. I do not think one should be wearing clothing that is out of place for the situation or climate and therefore look out of place or abnormal. The trick is to pick a gun and rig that can fit in with your daily routine. If you live in a hot, humid climate, carry a gun that will work in cargo shorts and a Tee shirt if that is your daily attire. Wearing clothing for the sole purpose of concealment is going to make you sweat, restrict movement and be miserable when doing a task that is a little out of your ordinary daily routine. We must be prepared for those times and still be able to conceal our firearms.

Bigger is not always better! A firearm that is comfortable and concealable will always be on your person and is always better than the .44 magnum N frame you left somewhere because you had to remove your jacket or cover. The rig you use is also very important. While some favor shoulder holsters, they all require a garment of some type to conceal them - not a great way to roll in the Summer's heat!

The reason I am bringing attention to this is that some try and intimidate others into carrying a gun that is sometimes just too large, heavy and bulky for them and they wind up either in discomfort or not having their gun on them if and when needed. Once again, better to have a .380 or 9mm on your person all the time than a .45 Gov't model in the desk drawer. I know when I first started out, some people told me I "needed" to carry a "man's gun" starting off in a caliber with a .4 but after trying to carry a .45acp Gov't model IWB and concealed, I gave that up after 2 weeks! Couldn't take more than 10 steps before having to hike up my pants - lol. Had a constant red spot on my side from the gun rubbing on me.

Be your own person. Think about what you can and are willing to wear all day long - including a reload. Do not be intimidated by "keyboard commando's" who don't follow their own rules. Try different guns and rigs and determine what is practical, comfortable and right for your situation. Practice with what you carry and stick with it instead of constantly rotating guns. You never want to have to think about what gun you have with you, if and when you need it. Consistency might be boring, but it is reliable and predictable.

NOTE: My so-called "credentials" come from carrying concealed for 50 years as a legally armed citizen in multiple States with completely different laws & regulations, in every type of situation one could encounter, trying what so called "experts" have initially written and said, extrapolating that information and then (most importantly) finding what worked for me. Trial & error and being honest with myself as to what I was willing & able to carry comfortably. I was a businessman in the NE and wore all kinds of clothing from suits to jeans and button down shirts with dress pants. My daily dress for the last 4 years now has been a pair of cargo shorts and a Tee shirt. I now rarely get dress up and almost never wear long pants. My equipment works absolutely perfectly with any clothing I wear and any where I go. I know what works for me - find what works for you, but be realistic and honest with yourself. Hope some here take away at least a little. I like to share from what I have learned the hard way, for others to benefit from - especially new EDC-er's.
 
Be your own person. Think about what you can and are willing to wear all day long - including a reload. Do not be intimidated by "keyboard commando's"
THIS!
God bless the comforting not comfortable crowd IF they really live by it. No matter how much I wish, want, and tell myself I will, that ain't me. An NAA, or Beretta 21 in your pocket is still better than a harsh word and a mean look. I'm not much on "carry rotation" but it's nice to have AND be competent with something you can drop in your pocket and forget for the days when "I just ain't hauling that thing around". The next trick is not to let the lazy day become too frequent.
 
I agree that the caliber is not near the top of the list of priorities.
Mindset is critical. Do you know the laws and understand the ethical considerations?
Are you able to act instantly with purpose? Can you carry through?
I'll suggest a secure holster that you can draw from without fumbling with snaps or any other impediments comes well before caliber too.
A weapon platform you are proficient with is important too.
Now we can argue about caliber. Bear in mind modern terminal ballistics show that the popular, mainstream calibers are very close in stopping power. It may seem intuitive that a .45 ACP 230 gr bullet is a better man stopper than a 124 gr 9mm but data proves otherwise.
 
Good points and worth posting as a small counterbalance and a dose of reality. I think you made a post in another thread mentioning a bias of many professional trainers because they are or were employed in LE or similar jobs. Everyday people have many other concerns that can take higher priority during ordinary activities, whether its being made by a date or potential dates friend, a neighbor that wonders why you suddenly dress out of character, crossing state lines, or your job involves crawling through attics or rolling under vehicles.

I agree that it doesn't matter if we think its ridiculous, if we get made and someone calls, its a problem. Getting detained and questioned is never a non-problem even if nothing comes of it legally. Most of us have busy lives and don't really want the attention or spend the time with even a 'friendly chat' of that nature.
This reminds me of Mas's reply to a student who at the end of the class said he had hoped for more discussion about the 2A. Ayoob's reply was that the class was about how the laws work in reality, not how we think they ought work.

I'll quibble slightly, and only slightly, about the outside the house. In some houses, under some circumstances, it may be prudent to carry. Conversely, at least for some portion of the population with LTC, sometimes its prudent not to carry when going out. To give just one personal example, when I go to play volleyball in the local park, I don't even spend a second thinking about it. It's that obvious.
 
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Each to their own. I carry 1911 Commander appendix. I'll often carry a 1911 full size appendix. I've actually carried so much that my belly has an indent where it rides. In that position the muzzle is next to my junk and keeps my pants from falling down. T-shirt covers in summer and plenty of options in winter. I hike, bike, head to the grocery store I like full size for all the right reasons.
 
If your EDC is not reasonably comfortable that greatly increases the chance that you will not have it when you need it. As I have gotten older I have downsized from a Govt. Model to a Commander to a Very compact 1911 9mm. I also on occasion carry a 2" .38 special. I am physically comfortable with these choices and it is a near certainty that if I am out of my house I am packing. I have had to drop the hammer twice while off-duty/retired, once on my own property, both times for dog attacks. Not all dangers move on two legs.
 
Each to their own. I carry 1911 Commander appendix. I'll often carry a 1911 full size appendix. I've actually carried so much that my belly has an indent where it rides. In that position the muzzle is next to my junk and keeps my pants from falling down. T-shirt covers in summer and plenty of options in winter. I hike, bike, head to the grocery store I like full size for all the right reasons.
As long as you are comfortable with that set up - to each his own. When I tried carrying a full size 1911 Gov't model it lasted less than 2 weeks.
 
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S&W 4006. Before that I carried a CZ75B. When I worked for G4S I carried an M&P40 8-12 and occasionally 16 hours a day (admittedly not concealed).
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As I type this I'm carrying an M&P9 and 2 reloads.
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If not that a Glock19.

When I was working I had to carry (Albeit not concealed) for my entire shift whether I wanted to or if it was comfortable or convenient or not. I got used to carrying a full size gun all day.

I think that makes it easier now.
 
Full size here. Two reloads. Airweight j in the pocket.
For cops a very important consideration is how much total weight they must carry. Then consider how, in what manner, they must carry it. Most cops I know are on the bare edge of too much weight just standing up, but especially with so much driving and getting in and out of cruisers all day every day.
I don't have to put up with things they are required to endure.
With a full size semi, my model 411 and two mags and a j frame in the pocket I have no problems.
Now it took some getting used to over many weeks, but I cannot even feel it anymore.
 
I believe a gun to be carried should fit in with normal dress code for the environment, venue, temperature and climate. I do not think one should be wearing clothing that is out of place for the situation or climate and therefore look out of place or abnormal.
I agree with you, but haven't always followed my own advice. Today for example, I got caught out in the good weather. It was gray, overcast and damp this morning. I put on a khaki t-shirt and a long-sleeve flannel shirt over that. Well, it warmed up and even unbuttoning the flannel shirt was still too warm. Problem was the light colored t-shirt that should have been darker and a size large instead of medium. Prominent gun bulge. What's more obvious to onlookers? Long sleeve flannel shirt in 70 deg weather? Or a prominent (to me) gun bulge? I figured the shirt was more of an issue than the bulge.
 
If your EDC is not reasonably comfortable that greatly increases the chance that you will not have it when you need it. As I have gotten older I have downsized from a Govt. Model to a Commander to a Very compact 1911 9mm. I also on occasion carry a 2" .38 special. I am physically comfortable with these choices and it is a near certainty that if I am out of my house I am packing. I have had to drop the hammer twice while off-duty/retired, once on my own property, both times for dog attacks. Not all dangers move on two legs.
Funny how that works. ;)
 
I think as gun owners we see things most of the public does not
Many people today have their head stuck up their ah.... ah.... ah.... phone and wouldn't see a troupe of dancing pink elephants accompanied by a brass band. That's understandable though. Knowing what their favorite "influencer" had for lunch is just sooooo special.
 
One thing I've observed is many younger folks pay a lot of attention to appearence - and I don't mean just their own. They may not have heard my explanation for the task at hand, but they know what I wearing! LOL
 
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For years I carried a 4" Redhawk with 255 gr. bullets. After that for even more years I carried my match gun which was a 4" 625 with full lug barrel. When I stopped shooting matches with the revolver I had a 2" barrel installed on the 625 and I felt that was the ideal large caliber revolver setup for concealed carry. Size and weight never bothered me. The 340PD is reserved for those relatively few instances where I simply can't conceal a full size handgun of any type.
 
For years I carried a 4" Redhawk with 255 gr. bullets. After that for even more years I carried my match gun which was a 4" 625 with full lug barrel. When I stopped shooting matches with the revolver I had a 2" barrel installed on the 625 and I felt that was the ideal large caliber revolver setup for concealed carry. Size and weight never bothered me. The 340PD is reserved for those relatively few instances where I simply can't conceal a full size handgun of any type.
WOW! Carrying a 3 pound, large frame Ruger Redhawk plus the weight of the ammo - I don't know how you did that as a long term and steady basis. Even the S&W M25 N Frame is no light weight at 38+ ounces. As long as you are good with it (and it seems you are), more power to you! The only thing I don't get is why - but you need not explain - that is just your own personal thing. That's what makes horse races!
 
At the time I was doing a lot of shooting with the large frame revolvers. I shot the 4" 625 much better than any other handgun I owned so it was a natural for me. I have had a lifelong scoliosis that causes me to lean toward the right even before I was old enough to carry heavy revolvers. I still carry all my large handguns on my right hip and any back pain I've had can be attributed to overdoing certain cardio workouts at the gym. I still prefer leather outside the waistband holsters. I have a new duty gun with optic that weighs more than the old one and we now have huge radios that weigh a lot more than the old ones. I don't know how much longer I can keep doing this but for now I can deal with it.
 
Of course your method for carrying your weapon should have some degree of comfort. That is not my primary criteria. Every endeavor in life is a trade off between risk and benefit. Cost and value. I want to first insure that I can rapidly deploy my weapon if needed. Most of the time, in that gravest of extremes, quickness to respond is all you have. Comfort will always be second place. Otherwise, we are just playing at CCW.
 
IMO, this is one of the advantages of states that allow open carry. I’ve probably actually open carried around 10 times since Oklahoma made it legal… but in practical terms it took the pressure off concealed carry. If my gun accidentally gets exposed or the outline is too obvious, no LEO is going to care. If Karen calls the police to report a man with a gun, they will ask, “What is he doing?” Karen says, “He’s looking at fruit in the produce section.” The police laugh and tell her to have a nice day.
 
To me, open carry is right out. Not only does it say "shoot me first" it does not help our cause to scare little old ladies in the grocery store. We need to be ambassadors for our sport...perfect gentlemen at all times. Nothing wrong with being a Gentleman Warrior. For decades my carry gun was a full size 1911, carried inside the waistband in a Milt Sparks holster. Started with a Colt Gold Cup, because it was factory throated to feed semi wadcutter bullets for target use so it would feed the hollow points of the 80's. I read about Swenson and Chow and other gunsmiths making the Colt feed everything, but here in Missouri nobody I knew had a custom gun. Anyway, dressing around the gun has never been a problem for me. Now past 60, I pride myself in my low risk lifestyle. I am confident I will never need to draw my sidearm. But I have to carry it for ballast. If I don't have a 1911 on me, I tend to walk in circles I am so off balance.
 
OP, you make some great points in your post. I am in complete agreement. I love my EDC, a S&W 360PD that weighs 11.7 oz loaded and carried in my Mika's pocket holster all day long. (But, I love it less so at the range. Ouch! :eek:)
 
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I have been carrying for 50 years now and have learned a few things about every day carry and concealing a firearm and ammunition. I have never been in law enforcement so the art of concealment is even more important! In my old State, if you get reported for a gun "peeking out" even for second, you lost your permit! One of the most important points in carrying concealed is that what ever gun, caliber, and rig you are using is comfortable enough for ALL day carry. Simply stated, if your rig is annoying, uncomfortable, tight, too lose, etc. to the point where it's annoying, too heavy or bulky you will tend to not have it on your person all the time, in a desk drawer, in a glove compartment, etc. which IMHO is not where it belongs. To me, a concealed weapon belongs on your person all the time when out of the house. If only carried on your person 95% of the time - well you know Murphy's Law..... The one time you need it, it might not be readily accessible.

I have read many articles, have personally heard from different people that they would only carry a gun chambered in a caliber starting with a 4. That would mean .41 mag, 44 spl, Mag, 45 Colt or acp. In semi auto's we are referring to 40 S&W and I'll include 10mm which is basically a .40 caliber Mag. Those guns are large, heavy and bulky and downright uncomfortable for many to EDC all day long, IMHO. Maybe for an hour or two but if one is a working man, businessman, professional or executive in a public environment, I don't really understand how one could wear a gun that weighs that much and is that big in comfort all day long while still being properly concealed. If the gun is uncomfortable it will eventually be taken off and left somewhere. I believe that comfort is often over looked as being very important!

I have also heard the phrase, "dress around the gun". I am not in agreement with that. I believe a gun to be carried should fit in with normal dress code for the environment, venue, temperature and climate. I do not think one should be wearing clothing that is out of place for the situation or climate and therefore look out of place or abnormal. The trick is to pick a gun and rig that can fit in with your daily routine. If you live in a hot, humid climate, carry a gun that will work in cargo shorts and a Tee shirt if that is your daily attire. Wearing clothing for the sole purpose of concealment is going to make you sweat, restrict movement and be miserable when doing a task that is a little out of your ordinary daily routine. We must be prepared for those times and still be able to conceal our firearms.

Bigger is not always better! A firearm that is comfortable and concealable will always be on your person and is always better than the .44 magnum N frame you left somewhere because you had to remove your jacket or cover. The rig you use is also very important. While some favor shoulder holsters, they all require a garment of some type to conceal them - not a great way to roll in the Summer's heat!

The reason I am bringing attention to this is that some try and intimidate others into carrying a gun that is sometimes just too large, heavy and bulky for them and they wind up either in discomfort or not having their gun on them if and when needed. Once again, better to have a .380 or 9mm on your person all the time than a .45 Gov't model in the desk drawer. I know when I first started out, some people told me I "needed" to carry a "man's gun" starting off in a caliber with a .4 but after trying to carry a .45acp Gov't model IWB and concealed, I gave that up after 2 weeks! Couldn't take more than 10 steps before having to hike up my pants - lol. Had a constant red spot on my side from the gun rubbing on me.

Be your own person. Think about what you can and are willing to wear all day long - including a reload. Do not be intimidated by "keyboard commando's" who don't follow their own rules. Try different guns and rigs and determine what is practical, comfortable and right for your situation. Practice with what you carry and stick with it instead of constantly rotating guns. You never want to have to think about what gun you have with you, if and when you need it. Consistency might be boring, but it is reliable and predictable.

NOTE: My so-called "credentials" come from carrying concealed for 50 years as a legally armed citizen in multiple States with completely different laws & regulations, in every type of situation one could encounter, trying what so called "experts" have initially written and said, extrapolating that information and then (most importantly) finding what worked for me. Trial & error and being honest with myself as to what I was willing & able to carry comfortably. I was a businessman in the NE and wore all kinds of clothing from suits to jeans and button down shirts with dress pants. My daily dress for the last 4 years now has been a pair of cargo shorts and a Tee shirt. I now rarely get dress up and almost never wear long pants. My equipment works absolutely perfectly with any clothing I wear and any where I go. I know what works for me - find what works for you, but be realistic and honest with yourself. Hope some here take away at least a little. I like to share from what I have learned the hard way, for others to benefit from - especially new EDC-er's.
I have carried off & on for years. The off & on part was due to trying to carry a big heavy gun which ended up in the night stand or glove box. Then tried micro pistols and wasn’t impressed with performance.
All that changed when I bought an Sig P365 & a good holster. Now I carry all day, everyday, no matter the clothing or season. Changed the grip module to a Wilson Combat one as it just fits my hand better. I have 4 holsters, but one gets 90% on the action.
Have a great day!
 
Of course your method for carrying your weapon should have some degree of comfort. That is not my primary criteria. Every endeavor in life is a trade off between risk and benefit. Cost and value. I want to first insure that I can rapidly deploy my weapon if needed. Most of the time, in that gravest of extremes, quickness to respond is all you have. Comfort will always be second place. Otherwise, we are just playing at CCW.
While I won't "grade" comfort with a number, it has to be one of the most pertinent qualities of EDC or people will find excuses not to carry on their person in all types of weather, climate and dress. I am certainly not advocating carrying a useless, tiny, small caliber gun and not saying a carry gun need be a particularly expensive or inexpensive gun - just one that is reliable, effective, accurate and fit ones needs during their daily routines - and some times abnormal daily activities. Even before I could afford expensive toys, I never put a "price limit" on a good quality, reliable and meaningful hand gun, tools, pair of boots, etc. I'd much rather have one item that I could rely on instead of 10 for "quantities sake". Also not saying a gun should just fade away like you did not have it on you - just saying it must be "comfortable enough" to carry for 8-10+ hours at a time and not constantly be annoying or be the main focus of how you move and do normal things over your day. Like I said, when I first started out 50 years ago, I fell victim to the "carry a man's gun or nothing at all". I found out the truth (at least for me) a mere 2 weeks later - lol.

I know there are exceptions to every main stream concept. Everyone has to be confident, comfortable and good with their decisions no matter what it is. I have personally seen many start leaving their guns at home simply because they were not comfortable carrying what they were try to. In the case of some of them, after I have suggested a better carry gun (for them) they changed their tune 180º. (y)
 
S&W has made it so you can have your cake and eat it too! I just got a Shield in 40 (converted it to 357), it’s a “40” that’s a single stack. I haven’t always thought this way, but I’d rather 7, 357SIGs than 12 9mm. Though I do love my CSX.

Aside from that, carry at home. I live in a good neighborhood in Kansas, and yet in the last 20 years I’ve had 2 situations where I’ve had unwelcome strangers at the house.
 
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