HP-38/Win-231 What are they good for? And they are not the same.

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Absolutely every handgun caliber I load for and no, they are not the same. They have different names.:D

Maybe not the best for all bullet weights and calibers but I use it for 32, 380, 9, 38, 357, 40, 45 and it works for me.

I do have other powders but for general range blasting I like it.
 
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Same powder in different named bottles.

I load my 9mm, 40S&W, 45 ACP, 357Mag with Win231/HP-38.
Meters great and is clean burning with higher pressure loads.
 
I shied away from this powder for a long time. It was just because of the "Ford" versus "Chevy" type of thing though. I was using Bullseye and an antagonist/mentor was using W231 exclusively. We competed in a gallery PPC league and we were tit-for-tat when it came to who won on which nights.

When we competed, I didn't want anyone to think I was just copying him, so I laid off using it for several years. Then, I moved on to another range and competition and thought I would give HP-38 a go.

It works great in a wide range of calibers and is slower than Bullseye. That makes it good for some 40S&W loads too. Not a top performer in that caliber but about as fast of a powder as I will go in it.

Great for cast bullets in any handgun caliber from 9mm to 45Colt, in my opinion.

Keep the load towards the top of it's data and it will be clean enough.

FWIW
 
It is the fastest powder that I regularly use. Back when I started shooting IPSC, I loaded thousands of rounds with 5.8 gr. of 231/HP 38 under a 200 gr. H&G 68. That is still a good load, though it is a bit more than the manuals recommend. I've loaded a bunch of it in .38 Special and some in .45 Colt, too. Great stuff, but I still use lots more SR-4756.
 
When we competed, I didn't want anyone to think I was just copying him, so I laid off using it for several years. Then, I moved on to another range and competition and thought I would give HP-38 a go.

Some times it takes awhile for the "Brain Housing Group" to become fully functional but when the light comes on it's truly amazing!:p:p:p:p:p:D
 
Absolutely every handgun caliber I load for and no, they are not the same. They have different names.:D

Maybe not the best for all bullet weights and calibers but I use it for 32, 380, 9, 38, 357, 40, 45 and it works for me.

I do have other powders but for general range blasting I like it.

I don't do .32 or .380 but you can add 9mm Makarov, 7.62 Tokarov, .38 S&W and .45 Autorim to the list above. No competition or match work for me, so I just worked up the best banging load for each type and weight of bullet. I already had 8 rifle powders and just couldn't face several more for handguns :D:D:D
 
I don't do .32 or .380 but you can add 9mm Makarov, 7.62 Tokarov, .38 S&W and .45 Autorim to the list above. No competition or match work for me, so I just worked up the best banging load for each type and weight of bullet. I already had 8 rifle powders and just couldn't face several more for handguns :D:D:D

I was gonna buy 9x18 dies but for $9-10 a box for the non reloadable ammo I did think it was worth it. Plus try to keep 380, 9mm and 9x18 brass separate would be yet another headache.:eek: I'll just leave the metal cases to rust away.
 
I use .231 in lots of calibers...makes for good range ammo...

.380, .38 Special, .45 Colt, .38 S&W, .45 AR, 45 ACP etc...

Bob
 
I load the vast majority of my pistol ammo with 231.

380, 9mm, 38 Spl, 44 Russian, and 45 ACP all get max performance with it. Don't need another powder.

357 Mag, 10mm, 44 Spl., 44 Magnum all get loaded with it, but these are range-loads for the most part, and a slower powder is used for max performance loads.

Still, that's a pretty wide swath of loading usefulness, isn't it?!?


I've noticed that it leaves a little ash or residue behind, but all this talk about cleanliness of powder-burning kind-of mystifies me. No one ever complained about how dirty the old Unique was until the cleaner-burning version came out, remember? Or how about 2400? It was and still is a filthy-burning powder. Most people adore it... All this talk of "clean-burning" was started by VihtaVouri in the early 90s. Before then, no one really cared about how dirty a powder burned... VV started it all, because they had such tight quality-control that their powders were (and are) clean-burning, but it was really a marketing gimmick, because no one else's powders burned as cleanly...


I couldn't care less that there's a little ember of ash left in the bore of my pistol. Now, how smokey 231 burns, especially in combination with lead bullets (and their lubes), is something that I think should be worked on. There have been times, especially at IPSC matches or shooting the MP-5 with 231 loads that the targets became obscured. This is exacerbated in humid conditions even more. If St. Marks Powder could do something about 231 I'd rather they worked on it's smokey-ness rather than cleanliness. (Perhaps the problems are related... If so, maybe they could kill two birds with one stone.)
 
Great powder for Bullseye. .38 revolver (3.1 gr under 148 HBWC) and .32 Euro guns like the Pardini, Benelli, Hammerli (1.6 gr under 98 gr HBWC). Meters great in my Dillon 550's (use the extra small powder bar-special order from Dillon-when loading those tiny .32 cases)
 
Also very useful for lighweight jacketed loads in 44 mag and 45 LC. Speer's 200 gn gd in 44 mag, speer's old 200 gn flying ashtray in 45 LC.
 
I load the vast majority of my pistol ammo with 231.

380, 9mm, 38 Spl, 44 Russian, and 45 ACP all get max performance with it. Don't need another powder.

357 Mag, 10mm, 44 Spl., 44 Magnum all get loaded with it, but these are range-loads for the most part, and a slower powder is used for max performance loads.

Still, that's a pretty wide swath of loading usefulness, isn't it?!?


I've noticed that it leaves a little ash or residue behind, but all this talk about cleanliness of powder-burning kind-of mystifies me. No one ever complained about how dirty the old Unique was until the cleaner-burning version came out, remember? Or how about 2400? It was and still is a filthy-burning powder. Most people adore it... All this talk of "clean-burning" was started by VihtaVouri in the early 90s. Before then, no one really cared about how dirty a powder burned... VV started it all, because they had such tight quality-control that their powders were (and are) clean-burning, but it was really a marketing gimmick, because no one else's powders burned as cleanly...


I couldn't care less that there's a little ember of ash left in the bore of my pistol. Now, how smokey 231 burns, especially in combination with lead bullets (and their lubes), is something that I think should be worked on. There have been times, especially at IPSC matches or shooting the MP-5 with 231 loads that the targets became obscured. This is exacerbated in humid conditions even more. If St. Marks Powder could do something about 231 I'd rather they worked on it's smokey-ness rather than cleanliness. (Perhaps the problems are related... If so, maybe they could kill two birds with one stone.)

Yes, it is a bit dirty I guess but I have not used enough of other powders to actually compare the "dirt/smoke factor" I figure they all leave enough that I have to clean my guns afterward so I do not mind. Heck, I clean my guns if I fire 5 rounds cause I am OCD.:D
 
W-231 along with Bulseye and Unique are amongst the msot useful pistol powders. However I tend to use different powders for each application. In 9mm I use Bullseye and WSF, W-231 in light 38 Super loads, Trail Boss for most of my lead bullet loads, WST and American Select for light 40 S&W and 45 ACP.
 
I went out yesterday morning to hit the ole gong at 30 meters with my 45 auto. Using my most accurate 231 load with 230 ball ammo I was really shooting bad. Actually missed the 18"x 12" steel plate more than a couple of times. It was cold and windy and I was really pulling them. I switched to another load that I like, with of all things, Auto Comp and could not miss. I know this means nothing but has any person heard that cold weather can effect accuracy in 231 powder? I have never had such bad results with 231 and it could have been due to the weather and the operator, not the powder. Just wondered if cold effects accuracy too. I know it reduces velocity and that might be related to accuracy. Was only using 5.3 grs. of 231 and 6.6 grs. of Auto comp.
 
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related Was only using 5.3 grs. of 231 and 6.6 grs. of Auto comp.

You may then again you may not want to increase the charge weight of W231. With a truncated 225Gr cast bullet 5.5Grs of W231 leaves little to be desired for function and accuracy

I've experimented with AutoComp but only in the 9mmX19. May have the edge over W231 for continued use I have (2) 1lb containers still testing.
 
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You may then again you may not want to increase the charge weight of W231. With a truncated 225Gr cast bullet 5.5Grs of W231 leaves little to be desired for function and accuracy

I've experimented with AutoComp but only in the 9mmX19. May have the edge over W231 for continued use I have (2) 1lb containers still testing.

I think you are right about needing a little more powder for those conditions. The lighter load works great when it's warmer out. I must have been on the low side of the curve. I have been having good results with Auto Comp in 38 special and 44 special too. But not with the lower end loads for Auto Comp.
 
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