Alliant 300MP Powder for 357 magnum

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Has anyone tried Alliant 300MP powder? I was looking for a good 357 magnum load for an 1894C and I came across a recipe for 300MP on Alliant's website. They claim that 18.6 gr of 300MP back of a 158gr Speer GDHP generates almost 1700 fps from a 10" bbl. They claim 1600 fps for a 170 gr Speer GDSP from a 10" bbl.

I just recently stared handloading again so maybe it's just that I've been out of touch for a while but those numbers look pretty impressive.

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170 gr
 
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Here's a couple of reports from from a Ruger shooter at handloads.com
Well I made it to the range today and the weather cooperated. I set the chrony up at around ten feet from the bench. Temperature on the range today was a nice warm 48 deg. I used two different guns, a Ruger Blackhawk with a 4 5/8 inch barrel and a Ruger Sp101 with a 3 inch barrel to fire the test loads. Upon firing the loads they didn't seem any more powerful than loads I have fired from these guns in the past, at least going by felt recoil. Time for the chrony results. Remember Alliant lists this powder as hitting 1,686 fps with a max load with a 158 grain bullet and using a 10 inch barrel. Once again my load is:
Winchester .357 mag brass
laser cast 158 swc
17.5 grains of 300 mp
cci small pistol primer
I knew since I was only using shorter barrels today I wouldn't hit Alliants claimed velocity. I did believe that if Alliants claims were true I should see velocity in the 1,300 fps range or so.

Ok, without further ramblings here are the chrony results.

Ruger Blackhawk 4 5/8 inch barrel.
Shot 1: 1,170 fps
Shot 2: 1,121 fps
Shot 3: 1,231 fps
Shot 4: 1,173 fps
Shot 5: 1,152 fps
Average velocity: 1,169 fps
Standard deviation: 40 fps
Average deviation: 26.3 fps
extreme spread: 109.6 fps!

Ruger Sp101 3 inch barrel
Shot 1: 1,127 fps
Shot 2: 1,162 fps
Shot 3: 1,121 fps
Shot 4: 1,181 fps
Shot 5: 1,147 fps
Average velocity: 1,147 fps
Standard deviation: 24.7 fps
Average deviation: 19.1 fps
Extreme spread: 59.5 fps

Well as you can see this powder didn't even come close to its velocity claims. Why it didn't I don't know. Was it the colder range temp, short gun barrels, less than max load, who knows. I am surprised that the shorter barreled Sp101 didn't suffer to much of a velocity lose compared to the Blackhawk. Of course now I have to try these loads out of a 16 inch barreled Winchester and a 6.5 inch barreled Blackhawk to see if maybe I pick up more velocity than the 10 or so fps per inch that I am currently getting with the two different guns.

As it stands right now this powder wouldn't be my first choice for max velocity. In fact in the past using the same amount of Lil gun powder and this bullet I have seen velocities nearly 100 fps faster than today's results out of the same guns.
Well I just got back from the range. It was a nice blistering 22 degrees out there this morning. Here are the results. I am still not happy with the large extreme spreads I am getting. I really want to believe that this powder does not like to be downloaded to far, similar to H110. I think I am going to have to load up some at 18 grains and see what happens.

Here are the chrony results.
Once again the load was 17.5 grains 300 mp under a laser cast 158 grain LSWC fired off by a cci small pistol primer.
Gun: Blackhawk 6.5 inch barrel.
Shot 1: 1,215 fps
Shot 2: 1,179 fps
Shot 3: 1,147 fps
Shot 4: 1,113 fps
Shot 5: 1,287 fps
Shot 6: 1,271 fps
Shot 7: 1,260 fps
Shot 8: 1,243 fps
Average: 1,214 fps
Standard deviation: 62.6 fps
Average deviation: 51 fps
Extreme spread: 174 fps!

Gun Winchester 94 16 inch barrel
Shot 1: 1,737 fps
Shot 2: 1,690 fps
Shot 3: 1,639 fps
Shot 4: 1,593 fps
Shot 5: 1,673 fps
Shot 6: 1,685 fps
Average: 1,669.5 fps
Standard deviation: 48.9 fps
Average deviation: 35.6 fps
Extreme Spread: 143.4 fps!

As you can see it appears the rifle could have been very consistant except for the one slow round.

As for the Blackhawk I am not sure what was going on with it. I even fired extra rounds through it just to be sure. For some reason the latter rounds were clocking nearly 100 fps faster than the firs few rounds. I have no idea why this happened. Maybe it was just to cold out today and the chrony wasn't working right, or maybe the rounds were cold, who knows.
 
IMHO, you are going to read a lot of claims, but it is really hard to beat H110/Win296 for max .357 Mag out of real barrels on handguns as opposed to SAAMI minimum test barrels. YMMV
 
IMHO, you are going to read a lot of claims, but it is really hard to beat H110/Win296 for max .357 Mag out of real barrels on handguns as opposed to SAAMI minimum test barrels. YMMV
Thank you. How does H110/W296 (they appear to be the same powder?) compare to 2400? I'm loading these for a Marlin 1894C.
 
They are the same powders and should be OK out of a rifle. Just be sure you don't reduce the loads and make sure you use magnum primers.
 
Thank you. How does H110/W296 (they appear to be the same powder?) compare to 2400? I'm loading these for a Marlin 1894C.
Actually, when sent through an 18.5" barrel there is very little difference between W296 and 2400 in velocity except with 125gr bullets. I do prefer W296/H110 but when I ran the rounds over the Chrono I was surprised.

Here they are:
125gr HDY XTP
H110 = 2239 fps AV
2400 = 2055 fps AV

140gr SIE JHC
H110 = 1976 fps AV
2400 = 1940 fps AV

150gr SIE JHC
H110 = 1843 fps AV
2400 = 1810 fps AV

With heavier bullets Lil'Gun easily beat out W296/H110 and I didn't test 2400 because it fell off with very heavy bullets.

170gr SIE JHC
H110 = 1699 fps AV
Lil'Gun = 1793 fps AV

180gr HDY XTP
H110 = 1495 fps AV
Lil'Gun = 1584 fps AV

180gr Cast Performance WFNGC
H110 = 1547 fps AV
Lil'Gun = 1657 fps AV
 
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