I'm trying to help a friend find load data for his Winchester bullets that he found. They should be these:

WB38JHP125

Bullets Centerfire Handgun

I saw that Winchester lists Nosler and no other reloading data company so I looked them up online and found this:

38 Special Handgun - 158 Grain Load Data

But I only see data for a 158gr bullet which I find odd as Winchester doesn't even list that as a component.

So if that load data is listed in the book I would just like to know before I order the book. I'm not asking anyone to type out all the listed data for me, I just want to make sure they list the right bullet so he can dial in his loads without a bunch of trial and error in working them up under just any jacketed bullet data.

You can save yourself a lot of trouble by using 158 hard cast semi wad cutters . in a 6 inch barrel Smith and Wesson ,this bullet over 2.8 grains of Bullseye or red dot is dead accurate.

He already has a rather large supply of these bullets that are just begging to be loaded up and shot.

Seriously, if you stand close to them they call out to you in tiny little voices.

"Load us and we will hit targets..."

Ordinarily I cast my own and I'm trying to convince him in the ways of the holy molten flow but he's resisting.

My Nosler book lists loads for Nosler bullets. It appears you are asking if the Nosler manual has a load for a 125 gr. Win. .38 Special JHP bullet. It could also be you are wanting information on a 125 grain Win. JHP in .357 Mag. You may be looking at Winchester powder data for Nosler bullets. What is it that you would like information for?

I'm trying to confirm that the Nosler book contains .38 special load data and that it lists data for a 125gr bullet that is the same bullet they list online but in the 158gr version. I figure maybe to entice you to buy their book they only list some of the data and not all of it. But I already have half a dozen books and see no reason to add yet another when I don't buy Nosler rifle bullets. But if they also list the same handgun load data as they show online but add more data in print then I will add the book so I can type out the load data for him.

My Nosler book lists data for both 125 gr. and 158 gr. JHP bullets in .38 Special. My most current manual is Sierra's 5th Editiion. It too lists loads for 125 gr. and 158 gr. JHP loads. I personally swear by the Sierra manuals, but I read all I can and rarely push the limits when reloading. Unless the ogive on the bullet in question is extremely unusual you should be fine working up loads out of any manual with data for equal bullet weights and jacket type.

Just hit the buy it now button on the Nosler volume 7. I have the fifth Sierra, last three editions of Hornady, Lee Volume 2, Speer 14, Lyman 49th, Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, ABC's of reloading, and several of the free or cheap paperbacks available. I just wanted to give this guy the best start I could for these bullets in his loads. Thank you.

I'm a little confused here, your friend has Winchester bullets but you bought a Nosler load manual which lists only Nosler bullets? The only connection between the two is Nosler used Winchester W231 powder in some of their loads.

IMO you will find more of what you are looking for on the Hodgdon Load Data Site.

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That is a great projectile. I have loaded many thousands of them. I must have five thousand sitting out in the shop.

Work in the other direction. Determine what powders he has on hand and get the loading manuals from those powder manufacturers. All of them will list a 125JHP

If you click the two links above and look at them for a minute you will see what I was talking about. The Nosler bullet listed is the close match to the Winchester. And yes, I've been to the Hodgdon website many times and the only JHP they list is the XTP.

As a side note, I went back to both Hodgdon and Alliant's webpages just a minute ago.

Hodgdon lists the XTP with a COAL of 1.455"

Alliant lists the GDHP with a COAL of 1.44"

No that's not a huge amount off from each other but if he's wanting to work them up there then I would rather give him a solid starting point to build from.

If you put the win,rem,nos ,sie and Speer , 125 Jhp bullets on a table next to one another you will notice one thing..........

The top of the bullet design is different as well as the over all height and some even have a concave base.

Some have a very narrow crimp area vs the wide area on the winchester bullet, but I have found the Win SJhp to have a shorter OAL due to its lead tip design.

You can't go wrong if you set the OAL with the cannelure of a Jhp bullet and use data from a manual from the company that makes the powder being loaded.

Really? You are talking about One One-Hundredth of an inch and that number is the COAL which doesn't tell you if the bullet occupies the same amount of space in the case. As long as the bullet has a cannalure and you seat to that cannalure you are fine, the OAL is not that important with those bullets. Again, this is why the data has a starting point where the pressures are lower, for safety. You are over-thinking this to the point of "really"... What you are being told id perfectly normal so why would you think it's not " a solid starting point to build from"?

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