How much bullseye powder weight,can a .22 short case hold? I need a scale,and want to double check,ive read it will throw 2.4 gr.ains of bullseye thanx in advance.

I could only tell you what a 22 LR will hold. Have not seen a short for years.

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Still Running Against the Wind

Do you have a powder scale? If not you might think about getting one. How much powder any dipper throws depends a great deal on technique. A quality scale is the only way to be sure.

Yes, you need a scale but just for "grins" I looked in the scrap brass bucket. There are some shorts do not know if they a true shorts or Colobris ?? Anyway is is shorter than a 22 lr and it held 2.2 grs of Bulleseye. My powder, my humidity etc etc.

So your guesstimate is about right. I am a factory trained Lee dipper technician, you mileage may vary. Buy a darn scale.

A bill is in the mail.

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Still Running Against the Wind

Not gonna happen. Get a scale.

If you are going to reload a scale is THE most important item to have. I don't care if you have the best Dillon Press made, if no scale you have no idea what the heck you are loading!

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Still Running Against the Wind

Ive had a lee loader hand loader set for years and. It only has a dipper,nearly all of the rounds I have loader have been with dippers,e lee dipper starts at .3 cc wokhich is purported to throw 2.8 bullseye,so a smaller dipper is needed thanx anyway.

Get the scale and check it. Don't count on what you've heard especially with a powder like BE. I've made my own scoops out of cases, but I always check what they are throwing every time I reload.

I started out using all the Le dippers and also made my own buy grinding down brass cases and soldering on handles BUT I also had a scale to determine what they were throwing. You can not use the LEE chart as it varies by powder, powder lot, temp, humidity etc. Some are real close others are so far off it's scary.
Even though I do not recommend them, a small inexpensive digital scale is better than nothing. Otherwise you are just guessing. What I measure and weigh here is not gonna be the same as what you measure.

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I have a Lee Powder Measure Kit. The chart states that with Red Dot powder the 0.50 scoop " should " measure out 3.5 grs.

Depending on the technique I use it will throw 3.4 grs one way and 3.9 grs when I do it another way. Thats a .5 gr difference just by how I handle the dipper. your individual technique will determine the grs. dipped and consistent technique will determine how consistent your charges..

Get a scale and a consistent technique with the dipper. you will be surprised how weight will vary. I scooped and weighed powder untill I could consistently dip 3.9 grs. of Red Dot before I started charging cases and double checked (weighed) every 10th measure to be sure I was consistent.

I have Bulleseye, 700X and Unique and will verify what each scoop will measure and record them but will still double check with a scale. The reloading Gods do not suffer fools gladly.

Gary

We were using the dipper, checked the weights on a triple balance scale. At least 3 cans of bullseye were used for 38,357,9mm loads all were fine. Did not reload about 3-4 mo, friend brought the scale back ( had it in his basement) Started dipping and loading seemed like the "wrong" dipper, weighed it, FINE. Went to the range, first rd was impressive but hit paper sideways, I fired 4 rds, my friend fired 5, his gun bound up. Most POWERFUL 38 loads ever. We stopped, tore down a few bullets---> 7.5 gr of Bullseye in 38 case with 158 gr SWC, checked the powder at home 3 grs, the scale had rusted. We were shooting SW 19's, 4 +6". The primers looked like they had not been fired, no split cases ( prob melted, barrels were covered in lead. We got lucky, tossed the scale, I use a dillion or a powder measure and check it on a digital scale which is checked before loading with weights.

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Wow, 7.5g BE would generate about 40-43 kpsi. That's considerably above .357 specs and about triple 38 special pressures. Really good thing you were shooting them in the model 19's as those pressures were probably at the limit to a .357.

Its painfully obvious that I need a scale,all I asked was what someones scale weighed a 22 short full of bullseye,also a 22 lr case full of bulldeye ,you know it may vary,i know it may vary ,if a few guys weighed a few loads id be better informed,and mighty gratefull.

Way back in my ill spent youth, we shot in the basement. All was fine. We usually fired pellet guns. Then one night my dad came down with his old Regulation Police 32. Even with a 32 short, it made way too much noise.

So Dad got to work. He cut down a 12 ga O buck shell and harvested the buckshot. Then using some old, fired 32 longs (it was what we had) we reprimed them with small pistol primers. Then he got out his balance beam scale and trickled 1 gr of Bullseye. We loaded one up and it fired really well. It was impressive. Solid sound, but not loud by any measure. Quiet enough that mom upstairs didn't know we were shooting a center fire revolver! So the game began. Those of you with a progressive press probably won't appreciate the speed of our production. it probably took 15 minutes to load up 6 shells.

The next step was to solder a piece of copper wire around the base of a 22 Short. Some filing reduced the length considerably. But we ended up with a measure that threw 1gr of Bullseye. To us it didn't matter if it varied a little. I don't think 2 grs would be an over pressure load with a round ball. Time has lost the dipper dad made. Too bad. But there was nothing secret about it. No tricks, just start and file a little and throw a charge and see what it delivers.

If you're too cheap to buy a scale, find a friend who will come visit and have him bring along a scale. Just keep in mind scales are cheap, eyes and fingers aren't.

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It would seem a lot of people here have never seen/used a Lee loader or powder dippers. While it of course is advantageous to have a scale, the idea that you will be in danger if you don't is just stupid. Probably billions of rounds have been made over the years by "sometime" reloaders who only load 20 - 30 rounds a year and can't/don't want the expense of buying all the goodies. It is and has been a acceptable way to enter reloading since when- the black powder days, and remains such. If it was anywhere as dangerous as some think - Lee certainly would be out of business in the current litigious society. I've always thought of the dippers as no more problematic than setting a powder measure - both require common sense and a ability to follow instructions.
Does Lee still include a dipper with there die sets - I've got a number that did.
The Op asked what a SET dipper(22 short case) would hold - it wasn't a guessing game

I use home made dippers for black powder.The trick is to dip exactly the same way every time.Use a scale and experiment with different techniques.The weights will vary.

I used LEE dippers when I first started loading. Used a lot of them and for many calibers. also made many of my own and still have them, I went and dug out a 22 short, some Bullseye and weighed it for the OP.

The clincher is I had a scale when using and making my own dippers. What I weighed in a 22 short will not be the same as anyone else (close) but not the exact same. Then the OP wants a 22 LR how about a 22 Mag?

The point is even the LEE chart is not at all accurate with what they say a certain dipper/powder will weigh. It's volume and weight will vary based on powder lot number, humidity, altitude etc.

Same as professional chefs. You weigh flour you do not measure by the cup it varies a lot.
There is a correct way to use the scoops, fill dso not tap or shake use a straight edge to scape off the top. If done this way they are very consistent and safe if you know what it WEIGHS.

So that ends today's class on LEE dippers. They are no good without a SCALE.

For the OP as much as it pains me to say, go to Harbor Freight or some other such store and buy a $12 electronic scale. Good Grief

Digital Pocket Scale

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Still Running Against the Wind

I have one of those 22 short dippers, it has moved into the world of collectables, as such I might sell it if the price was right, maybe $75.00 shipped??? OBO Yes, buy a scale, or even two.

I just weighed 5 throws though my old balance beam in a Winchester superX 22 long rifle case and they averaged a heavy 3.0 grains. I also used a CCI stinger case since it is longer and they averaged 3.7. I did use the old method of dip and tap as I had learned back 50 some years ago when loading 38's with at Lyman 310.
I am sorry that I cannot lay my hands on a 22 short case to give you what you asked for. Perhaps someone here has an empty short case and a couple minutes of time to help you out.

terry

he might stop thinking about getting a scale and just get one.Dude, without a scale your hand gun is more of a hand grenade without the benefit of a delay.

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it just needs more voltage

Exactly right!! Fire smoke and melted lead!!! We got lucky. Nothing wrong with dipping if you can reliably check it. Thousands of round before and after dipped. Be Safe,

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I still use the dipper that came with the .38 caliber Lee handloader for 2.8 grains of BE. After 30+ years if I want to load up a bunch of wadcutters, I pick up the scoop. No adjustment needed.

Update. The lee dippers don't throw exactly what they say they do on the supplied chart and need to be checked with a scale. When making some reduced loads I was able to go down one scoop size from what was on the chart when I checked it on the scale. I'm not blaming Lee, powder density from batches of powder are probably different plus they have to add a CYA factor. With a scale you know exactly what you are getting.

Great,well Ive gathered that a .22 short throws between 1.8 gr bullseye and 2.4gr,bullseye,also all posts agree a .22 lr case (standard )throws 3 grain bullseye,stinger 22 lr case throws 3.8 gr being longer,this leads me to belive I have the correct starting load @ 2.2 gr 22 short case,scooped tapped and struck,because 1.8 gr is a mild load,2.2 is a starter load,2.8 is a max load,now Ive tryed 3/4 .22 short case and it was mild hardly any penitration a full 22 short case should be just right,and similar to factory loaded ammo.I broke down a factory win shell and it had a 22 short case of fine shiney powder.similar to bullseye?

And that Sir is NOT the correct way to scoop.

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Still Running Against the Wind

What you should have gathered is that you should not be reloading without a scale. Larry

Went and got a cheap scale,all I could afford,wisely took a short case full and a lr case full to try before I buy,short load didnt register,lr load weighed 4 grains,so much for digital scales,lee saftey scale when availible is only 12.99 lee dippers are what ill trust, as before ill use black powder impossible to overload

Here ya go. Just buy some Trail Boss and you do not even have to weigh it. Just find the inside line of the case and dump some powder in

Follow these instructions:

http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf

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Still Running Against the Wind

The lee dippers are very good and pretty accurate and handy. There are also instructions for cleaning if they start holding powder. They are designed to be used successfully without a scale on light to medium loading and from round to round on any given day are quite consistant. How much a .22 short cartridge will scoop
may be a matter of interesting trivia but the "irregular shape" afforded by the hollow rims give me little confidence in their precision.

I totally disagree but you have to understand their limitations. I have never known anyone to get in trouble using Lee powder dippers as prescribed by the manufacturer and can produce good to excellent accuracy.

As for scales, I can load a batch of ammo today on a high quality balance and they will not be the same as the batch I loaded a month ago. Even with the same lot of powder, temperature and humidity will effect the batch to batch consistence. As for a $12 digital scale.... Not a chance!

In my experience, using a cheap digital scale, is like counting on your computer to work properly, all the time.

Not.

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What are you disagreeing with. Maybe if you read the whole thread you might understand.
The LEE dippers are fine and very accurate, I used them for thousands of loads of different calibers.

Just trying to get the OP to go buy a damn scale. I went and measured a 22 short for the OP. I have enough of this lame lazy cheap thread.

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Still Running Against the Wind

Sounds like my dear old departed dad-tighter than TWO coats of paint.

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T. Johnson

Cheap digital scales are known for not doing a good job. You have to spend money if you want an accurate digital scale. The Lee balance scale only costs about $25 and does a great job.

I need info not snyde remarks about saftey,or being a cheapscate,please weigh a .3cc lee powder scoop of bullseye,then a .22long rifle case of bullsey then a .22 short case of bullseye.please just info.....thanx

The Lee .3cc scoop is supposed to throw 2.8 gr BE. That result will vary depending upon method.

Here are the results from my old analog Lee Scooper Slide Rule. My experience is it depends on how you scoop, the the scoop-o-lator is pretty close. I do not save spent .22 brass, so I'm no help there.

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All the info you need and then some.

volume of a cylinder is calculated by
3.1416 x radius (or half diameter) squared x height (inside the case measurements with caliper)

multiply that volume by the density of the powder,
volume units will cancel out and give you dry weight

now if its humid out - the density will not be the same - powder will have absorbed some water!

hope that helps

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I'd like to agree with you BUT

SPEND $24 ON A SCALE!!!

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=lee+scale

I'm not saying you are a cheapskate. If you are reloading YOU NEED THIS.

kwelke said -I've used dippers for over 20 years along with a scale. I know that I can dip the scoop and come up with one weight one time and another weight another time. I could also hand the powder and dipper to you and you would probably scoop a different weight of the same powder

If you develop a method of use you will get results at least as consistent as most powder measures. I do. The trick is to lower the dipper straight down into a cup of powder and let the powder fall into the dipper. Then come straight up and level off the scoop with something like a credit card or business card.

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Now that is what I call keeping it simple

Forest your a prodogy.thanx for your help, I hope to never have to rely on a scale in the field,as you know knowledge is the key,poeple like mcgyver,can survive,hard times