.327 Federal Magnum and Clays loading advice please.

carl3989 · May 12, 2013

In this ammo/reloading supply shortage, I had a hard time acquiring the recommended bullets that Hogdon lists for the .327 Fed Mag. using Clays. I could get Hornady 85 grn XTP and 32 H&R 100 FP copper plated pills however. What would the starting load of Clays be for these 2 bullets if that was all you had? Please let me know what you suggest, so I may safely feed my S&W Model 632-2.

y-not · May 12, 2013

I use HS6 for my 327 and 32H&R it is cheap and I have not had any problems finding it

Rule3 · May 12, 2013

See this thread.

I do not recommend Clays for the 327 Federal, it is to fast a powder. I would not use the 85 gr XTP at all with that powder. There is a reason it is not a tested powder for that round.

If you want to try you can use the Hodgdon data for the 115 gr lead bullet with your 100 gr plated, but that is up to you, I am not saying to do so,

http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/315864-model-632-1-extraction-problem.html

carl3989 · May 12, 2013

I wish it was.

y-not said:
I use HS6 for my 327 and 32H&R it is cheap and I have not had any problems finding it

If you try to buy Hogdon HS 6 online you'll find it is all back ordered. Here in The People's Republic of New York State any thing gun related is either sold out or illegal.

mtgianni · May 12, 2013

If those were all I had I would use starting loads from 32 H&R. With Clays I would not exceed 32 H&R loads as it is too fast for the 327 Fed IMO.

Nevada Ed · May 13, 2013

You might take a look at this site...............

Reloading .327 Federal Magnum

gwpercle · May 13, 2013

Hornady's new handbook had NO loads for 327 Federal Mag.
For the 32 H & R mag and 85 gr.XTP NO loads listed for Clays.
Lyman's handbook listed 327 F. mag but No loads for Clays.

Don't know why but Clays may not be suitable for 327 Fed. Mag. Neither Horn. nor Lyman have developed loads using it . See if the Clays manufacturer has data for it.

Gary

carl3989 · May 16, 2013

Thanks Rule.

Rule3 said:
See this thread.

I do not recommend Clays for the 327 Federal, it is to fast a powder. I would not use the 85 gr XTP at all with that powder. There is a reason it is not a tested powder for that round.

If you want to try you can use the Hodgdon data for the 115 gr lead bullet with your 100 gr plated, but that is up to you, I am not saying to do so,

http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/315864-model-632-1-extraction-problem.html

Followed your advice. Scrounged up some Tite Group loaded the .327 Fed. Mag cases with 3.6 grns of it (boy that was lost in those long cases) and it shot low in comparison to factory ammo., however the S&W mod 632-2 has adjustable sights, so I'm good to go. I found rather than the normal sharp bark of the .327 Fed. Mag., it was more like the "pop" of a .38. Any way, there was no extraction problems and the primers looked normal after firing. Thanks again for that info, I wish there was more loading data for that .327 Fed. Mag. though, rather than having to experiment.

FAL · May 16, 2013

Just got my hands on some .32 S & W Long cases and Hornady 90gr.SWC to load for my 632 revolver. Loaded up with Trail Boss. Works great! Going to try this load in a couple of Single-Six's in .32 Mag. and Blackhawk in .327 Mag. This load is cheap to shoot.

Rule3 · May 16, 2013

carl3989 said:
Followed your advice. Scrounged up some Tite Group loaded the .327 Fed. Mag cases with 3.6 grns of it (boy that was lost in those long cases) and it shot low in comparison to factory ammo., however the S&W mod 632-2 has adjustable sights, so I'm good to go. I found rather than the normal sharp bark of the .327 Fed. Mag., it was more like the "pop" of a .38. Any way, there was no extraction problems and the primers looked normal after firing. Thanks again for that info, I wish there was more loading data for that .327 Fed. Mag. though, rather than having to experiment.

There is lots of load data out there for 327 Federal Mag and just for the record I did not recommend Tite Group. Never, no how, no way, would I recommend it for anything.

y-not · May 16, 2013

I agree with rule3 I would not use tightgroup there is to little volume of powder. A triple charge would be possible not counting the fact that the powder may not ignite by being to far away from the primer.

carl3989 · May 17, 2013

Well beggars can't be choosy and in this era of diminished gun related products I went with it. I figured because there was more reloading info with Tite Group it would be better than Clays. So what's the consensus on the best powder for .327 Fed Mag.?

Nevada Ed · May 17, 2013

You must not have looked at the #6 post info...............

Lots of powders to choose from.

per post #15;
NY city !! ......................sorry about that, I feel for you. Good luck.

Rule3 · May 17, 2013

carl3989 said:
Well beggars can't be choosy and in this era of diminished gun related products I went with it. I figured because there was more reloading info with Tite Group it would be better than Clays. So what's the consensus on the best powder for .327 Fed Mag.?

Depends on if you are shooting lead or FMJ. There is no such thing as a "best" powder for anything. It depends on bullet weight, lead or FMJ.

If the proper powder is not available then IMHO it is prudent to just not load for it.

For FMJ like XTP's and Gold Dots the slower powders are the better. H110/W 296. 2400, and Power Pistol. I actually like Power Pistol the best. Lymans Cast has a lot of data for lead bullets Speer give data for their bullets.

What is difficult is, finding the 115 Speer Bullet which is near impossible. I use the Hornady XTP as the next best thing and they are less expensive, or they were.

The MD Smith pages have a lot of data and I trust most of them.

Reloading .327 Federal Magnum

Just because a powder is listed does not mean it is a good choice. Yes it will work but you better be damn careful with the fast powders if you use them. It is along deep skinny case and 3 grains or so is hard to see in there.

http://www.speer-bullets.com/pdf/327_Federal_Magnum_GDHP_115gr_3988_DataFile.pdf

carl3989 · May 17, 2013

Yes I did.

Nevada Ed said:
You must not have looked at the #6 post info...............

Lots of powders to choose from.

I checked Post no. 6 and M.D. Smith has Titegroup listed. My problem here in NY state is trying to find anything gun related. If you do find something, the prices are usually prohibitive. I went to a gun show in Saratoga where a box of 50 .22LR was selling for $16. Bricks were going for close to $100 if you could find them.

Rule3 · May 17, 2013

Carl,

It is not just NY State (but I know you all have been hit with the worst Laws and Safe act nonsense.)

Components of any kind are no where to be found any where. Powder, primers etc. It's getting better at least guns are showing up down here but still no reloading stuff. There is still no loaded ammunition to speak of here in Florida.

If all you have is Clays or Titegroup my suggestion would be to weigh every single charge on a quality scale and load them single stage. Keep you busy and out of trouble

carl3989 · May 18, 2013

Thanks Rule. I just got back from my LGS and he just received Unique and primers. Problem is he will only sell one box/container per customer. So now I will load 100 rounds with Unique using the M.D.Smith data. Thanks again for all your advice fellas.

Rule3 · May 18, 2013

Are you loading the 100gr bullets as MD Smith has no data for Unique and the 85 gr XTP?? I searched all my papers and can not find any data using Unique. I would only load a few to try first , not 100!

Nevada Ed · May 18, 2013

I noticed that Unique was cut off before the 85 JHP bullets but was used last with the 83-85gr LEAD bullet.

It may be too fast for heavier jacket bullets.......... I did notice that Power Pistol was the fastest Alliant power with the Speer data. Probably for a good reason.............since 2400 and 296 is used.

bluetopper · May 19, 2013

For the life of me I don't know why people keep using fast burning powders designed for 45acp and 38 Special and use them in magnum revolvers. For very light powder puff loads they are OK but to try and get magnum performance it's futile and dangerous.

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