Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Ammunition-Gunsmithing > Reloading

Reloading All Reloading Topics Go Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-16-2013, 08:33 PM
Bodyguard Bodyguard is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 159
Likes: 14
Liked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Default Barkeepers Friend

I saw a previous post by Taroman about Barkeepers Friend being used to clean brass. Has anyone else tried it yet? Will it harm the brass in any way? Thanks, Bodyguard.
__________________
Bodyguard
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-16-2013, 08:38 PM
arjay's Avatar
arjay arjay is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Colorado
Posts: 15,457
Likes: 94,196
Liked 27,188 Times in 8,667 Posts
Default

I've been fooling with it in my tumbler in place of dry media and it works quite well.I just give it a good rinse afterwards ad set it in the sun or put it in the oven to dry
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-16-2013, 08:46 PM
Engineer1911's Avatar
Engineer1911 Engineer1911 is offline
US Veteran
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Augusta, GA
Posts: 6,125
Likes: 6,842
Liked 6,332 Times in 2,729 Posts
Default

I would like to assure that bright sparkling brass makes no difference anywhere except in your eyes.

I have shot great with shiny brass, dull brass, and tarnished brass. I have also shot terrible with all 3 kinds of brass. If I acquire brass from an outdoor range, it gets tumbled in 10 year old corn cob media to remove any sand, dust or dirt. I use old dryer sheets over the center bolt / post of the tumbler to remove the grundge from the media.

Polish on, but your really just cutting down on your range time. We are reloading ammo, not seeking perfection or attempting to measure "things" at the molecular level.

Ultimately, you will chamber a cartridge in a firearm and pull the trigger. You are betting vital body parts that everything was done correctly, but not perfectly. That is why we have statistics and group size.

Edit Added: In the past 7 weeks, Augusta, GA has had 4 sunny, no rain days. Why waste a sunny day drying brass when you could be at the range shooting?
__________________
S&WHF 366

Last edited by Engineer1911; 08-16-2013 at 08:48 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #4  
Old 08-16-2013, 08:48 PM
Steve in Vermont Steve in Vermont is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,969
Likes: 256
Liked 1,383 Times in 522 Posts
Default

I've posted this before but not in some time. I've tried this product and it cleans brass very well. A couple of tablespoons in a quart of hot water, add brass (Folgers coffee cans work well) and shake a few times. 5 minutes or so and you have clean brass. Be sure to rinse well. What seems to work better is Citric Acid. It cleans the brass and will not harm it. I bought bulk through Amazon, 10 pounds for $ 35.00, which should last for years. Same procedure as BF, rinse 3X and dry. Goggle search "citric acid brass cleaning" for more information.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #5  
Old 08-16-2013, 09:45 PM
speedyquad's Avatar
speedyquad speedyquad is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Oil City, PA
Posts: 1,918
Likes: 860
Liked 1,125 Times in 563 Posts
Default

i print the barkeepers friend labels...
__________________
SDMF
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-16-2013, 11:05 PM
jtcarm's Avatar
jtcarm jtcarm is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 4,422
Likes: 1,574
Liked 4,314 Times in 1,826 Posts
Default

I'm with engineer. Why? I've used BF to remove mild surface rust from cast iron woodworking machinery. I would be much more concerned with getting that viscous abrasive out of my brass than whatever tarnish and smudges it's supposed to clean up.

If you want your brass shined up, try bathing it in a mild citric acid. The acid will at least evaporate and you don't have to worry about leaving abrasive residue.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-17-2013, 01:06 AM
bigedp51 bigedp51 is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 409
Likes: 6
Liked 401 Times in 195 Posts
Default

Below are the instructions for tumbling with stainless steel media. The dish washing soap helps clean and hold the dirt in suspension and the LemiShine contains citric acid hemihydrate and makes the brass bright and shiny.

Bartenders Helper is a abrasive cleaner like Comet with a acidic additive for making pots and pans bright.

You need the abrasive particles on your brass from Bartenders helper like you need a new hole in your head. And your resizing dies don't need the abrasive grit eating away on the sizing ring.

Many people who tumble with stainless steel media just give their brass a short soak/wash in a bucket with the same amount of LemiShine and not tumble every cleaning.

I don't tumble my brass to make it look pretty, I clean it to remove any embedded dirt or grit from the cases and not scratch my dies. This is important with firearms that throw perfectly good brass on the ground and make you look for it. You can also perform a better visual inspection on clean cases looking for defects than you could miss on dirty brass.

Try some LemiShine on your brass and leave the Bartenders Helper for scrubbing pot and pans.


Last edited by bigedp51; 08-17-2013 at 01:11 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-17-2013, 08:16 AM
Clovishound Clovishound is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Summerville SC
Posts: 696
Likes: 0
Liked 320 Times in 190 Posts
Default

If you want to try citric acid cleaning on the cheap with local ingredients, get a packet of lemonade drink mix. Get the non pre sweetened stuff. It is mostly citric acid. I mix it stronger than the two quarts. I think I did a pint and a half with it. I don't think the concentration is critical.

I add a little dish detergent to the mix to cut any oil or grease on the cases.

You will be amazed at how quickly tarnished brass turns shiny in this mix. Unfortunately, it doesn't do much for the primer pockets.

I dunk mine in this whenever the brass starts looking real bad. No idea how many firings they go through with only a quick primer pocket clean.

I just put them in a plastic container. Cover them with the mix. Shake and let set for a few minutes. Thoroughly rinse and them dump in a large wooden bowl to dry for a day or two. I like to clean the primer pockets prior to loading. Probably unnecessary, but I feel better about clean primer pockets.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #9  
Old 08-17-2013, 02:40 PM
Rule3's Avatar
Rule3 Rule3 is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 22,423
Likes: 11,205
Liked 16,054 Times in 7,014 Posts
Thumbs up

Bar Keepers Friend is one of the greatest wonders of the World!!

No I do not use it for my brass but have. I use it on anything stainless even did a few guns with it. Use it in the kitchen on the boat, pots, pans, sinks you name it.

Active ingredient is Oxalic acid. It will shine your brass but be sure to rise real well or it leaves a powder residue.

If it came in a liquid I would use it for sure.
__________________
Still Running Against the Wind
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #10  
Old 02-28-2017, 11:21 PM
jscottbiggs jscottbiggs is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Sultan, Wa.
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default

I tried it today in a small batch I put in a bowl. It worked VERY well in the 2 or 3 minutes the brass was in the solution. Got 95% of the carbon off. I'll try it in my ultrasonic cleaner later this week and let you know how it works in that.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #11  
Old 02-28-2017, 11:22 PM
jscottbiggs jscottbiggs is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Sultan, Wa.
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default

OH and it indeed DOES come in liquid form too.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #12  
Old 02-28-2017, 11:33 PM
Autonomous's Avatar
Autonomous Autonomous is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,001
Likes: 709
Liked 1,490 Times in 588 Posts
Default

It works great on gelcoat too.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-28-2017, 11:34 PM
glenwolde's Avatar
glenwolde glenwolde is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 4,449
Likes: 1,983
Liked 7,575 Times in 2,773 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rule3 View Post
Bar Keepers Friend is one of the greatest wonders of the World!!

No I do not use it for my brass but have. I use it on anything stainless even did a few guns with it. Use it in the kitchen on the boat, pots, pans, sinks you name it.

Active ingredient is Oxalic acid. It will shine your brass but be sure to rise real well or it leaves a powder residue.

If it came in a liquid I would use it for sure.
It does! I use it on my kitchen sink...
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 61vx5EbChnL._SY679_.jpg (33.0 KB, 49 views)
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-01-2017, 12:42 AM
2152hq 2152hq is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 8,062
Likes: 1,742
Liked 9,994 Times in 3,630 Posts
Default

If it's oxalaic acid, and you want a water based soln to dunk cases in to clean them,,buy some 'Wood Bleach'. Comes in crystal form. It's sold in DIY stores like HomeDepot in the paint and wood finishing dept.
Savarin is a popular brand. Comes in a plastic container.
Spoon out as much as you want into plain water and stir it up. It'll desolve quickly. I've never used it to clean brass, but have used it on rusted steel and as a wood bleach. The latter it's marketed use.

I use a glass jar for use as wood bleach so I can heat the soln a bit in the microwave before painting it on the stock wood to bleach it out. Works a bit quicker when warm.
Don't know if warming the soln is needed to clean up the brass or not.
I use a couple tbs in a qt of water. Nothing scientific about it.

Oxalic acid soln is used for a lot of stuff like rust removal on antique metal work. Works slow but very efficient. Removing water spots on wood finishes/furniture (use a paste form).

The stuff is reusable,,what doesn't drip down the drain while using it. You don't have to dispose of it when through, just put the cap on the jar and re-use the next time.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 03-01-2017, 08:39 PM
Wee Hooker Wee Hooker is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New England, USA
Posts: 4,489
Likes: 3,119
Liked 4,351 Times in 1,623 Posts
Default

As long as it doesn't contain ammonia, you should be good to go. Ammonia will make for brittle cases.
__________________
Dave
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 03-01-2017, 11:37 PM
hdwhit hdwhit is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: North Texas
Posts: 804
Likes: 86
Liked 482 Times in 300 Posts
Default

Quote:
Wee Hooker wrote:
As long as it doesn't contain ammonia, you should be good to go. Ammonia will make for brittle cases.
The embrittlement of brass by exposure to ammonia is known as "season cracking" and requires 1) brass that was cold drawn and not annealed thus having residual stresses, 2) high concentrations of ammonia and 3) long term exposure. It was first noticed in India when the British Army stored ammunition in horse stables during the monsoon season.

If Barkeeper's Friend had ammonia or in the case of other brass cleaning products that do contain ammonia, the concentration is not high enough nor is the exposure long enough to cause season cracking.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #17  
Old 03-01-2017, 11:43 PM
hdwhit hdwhit is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: North Texas
Posts: 804
Likes: 86
Liked 482 Times in 300 Posts
Default

Quote:
Engineer 1911 wrote:
Why waste a sunny day drying brass when you could be at the range shooting?
I live in Texas. Except for about six weeks every winter, it is always warm, so I dry my brass on a workbench in my garage at night. Since the ranges here don't operate at night (although some gun clubs do), I'm not missing out on any range time.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 03-02-2017, 02:53 AM
jscottbiggs jscottbiggs is offline
Member
Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend Barkeepers Friend  
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Sultan, Wa.
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts
Default

I use 1 qt. of water with 1/4 C. Bar Keepers Friend in my ultrasonic cleaner today with about 50 .40S&W cases. It doesn't dissolve well so you'll need to stir the bejesus out of it first, but they came out real nice after only 3 three minute cycles although they could have gone another 2 cycles and I'll drop the amount of BKF to 1/8 C. Too much left on the bottom unused.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Truly man's best friend jtcarm The Lounge 4 11-18-2014 08:12 AM
3913 friend to friend sale ????? BAM-BAM Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols 31 09-13-2014 02:23 PM
New guy old friend of S&W's slfree New Members Introduction 12 08-21-2012 08:55 PM
My new friend gregintenn The Lounge 15 07-03-2011 11:37 PM
My Friend, Your Friend: Michael Moore godlessgael The Lounge 13 09-18-2009 12:45 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:17 AM.


© 2000-2025 smith-wessonforum.com All rights reserved worldwide.
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)