And I don't have to justify my choices to anyone.
NOT RELOADING FOR FRIENDS
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Rpg
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My son killed his first deer with ammo I’d loaded.
That was 30 years ago, so I suspect that the statue of limitations has passed and I probably don’t have to worry about imminent prosecution for that.
Sure hope they don’t find out about the years since!
That was 30 years ago, so I suspect that the statue of limitations has passed and I probably don’t have to worry about imminent prosecution for that.
Sure hope they don’t find out about the years since!
I let my kids or friends shoot my reloads in my guns only.
Sell reloads? Or even give 'em away? NO WAY!
Sell reloads? Or even give 'em away? NO WAY!
cadmike
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You won’t supply a few reloaded rounds to a friend in need?
You think your reloads are great for your gun but will blow up somebody else’s because they haven’t cleaned their gun?
Never use someone else’s reloads, no exception??
You guys sound like a swell bunch of old curmudgeons.
Pole vaulting over mouse turds, indeed.
You think your reloads are great for your gun but will blow up somebody else’s because they haven’t cleaned their gun?
Never use someone else’s reloads, no exception??
You guys sound like a swell bunch of old curmudgeons.
Pole vaulting over mouse turds, indeed.
Loyaljeeper
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I’ve had four people ask me and two hit me up on my offers. I will happily teach you how to handload. Get some bullets, primers, powder, and brass. I will let you use my equipment while I watch over you.
Ivan the Butcher
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A friend of mine Was a commercial reloader with the license, insurance (and attitude!)
I ask about his liability insurance, his response was: Every gun's owners manual tells you to "Shoot only new ammo of the correct cartridge AND DO NOT SHOOT RELOADS!", I make a quality reload to industry standards, if you violate the operators instructions, what does that have to do with me?
Is he an asswipe? Yes. Is he wrong? No!
I personally don't trust most gun owners with live ammo! I'm not going to give them ammo to accidentally shoot me with!
Ivan
I ask about his liability insurance, his response was: Every gun's owners manual tells you to "Shoot only new ammo of the correct cartridge AND DO NOT SHOOT RELOADS!", I make a quality reload to industry standards, if you violate the operators instructions, what does that have to do with me?
Is he an asswipe? Yes. Is he wrong? No!
I personally don't trust most gun owners with live ammo! I'm not going to give them ammo to accidentally shoot me with!
Ivan
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I give you the benefit of the doubt: Google 'squib', combine that with very fast shooting in tactical competitions and the combination of the 2 can lead to very bad outcomes for the shooter and bystanders. I take the risk using my 'great' reloads but I don't need to create more risk for others on top of my own. If my reloads weren't great, I wouldn't consider them. I check every case with a light after powder drop and before seating.
What some reloaded ammunition. I have a spare press I will loan you and maybe even some dies. I will show you what you need to do and how.
I will also talk to you about which components you need to buy.
But, there is nowhere that says I can't let some one use my reloads. I just cannot sell them. It is like explosives. I can make and possess nitro glycerine for my own use. I can not sell it. (Per BATF_ Persons who manufacture explosives for their personal, non-business use are not required to have a manufacturer’s license)
Lots of people think they know the law that don't'
It is like buy a gun and giving it away as a gift. Lot of people believe you cannot do that. Yet it is 100% legal as far as the BATF and the 4473 is concerned. Simply read the instructions for the question 21.a on page4 of the form. You are the actual end user. Your use is giving it as a gift.
I have let people shoot my guns with my reloads and a very select few I might GIVE some reloads. Same people I might lend my truck too.
BTW you can ask all kinds of questions of the BATF and they will answer.
Not long ago some one freaked out because someone else removed the import markings on a J&G model 10s gunsmith special that were imported. I wrote them and they said it was legal to remove such markings
Their email address is [email protected] <[email protected]>;
As far as liability goes. I might BBQ some chicken and if I let somebody else eat any of it and they choke on a bone I could be sued!!!!!!!!!!
If you won't let a friend shot your reloads, I suggest you don't lend him your car either. They could have a wreck.
I will also talk to you about which components you need to buy.
But, there is nowhere that says I can't let some one use my reloads. I just cannot sell them. It is like explosives. I can make and possess nitro glycerine for my own use. I can not sell it. (Per BATF_ Persons who manufacture explosives for their personal, non-business use are not required to have a manufacturer’s license)
Lots of people think they know the law that don't'
It is like buy a gun and giving it away as a gift. Lot of people believe you cannot do that. Yet it is 100% legal as far as the BATF and the 4473 is concerned. Simply read the instructions for the question 21.a on page4 of the form. You are the actual end user. Your use is giving it as a gift.
I have let people shoot my guns with my reloads and a very select few I might GIVE some reloads. Same people I might lend my truck too.
BTW you can ask all kinds of questions of the BATF and they will answer.
Not long ago some one freaked out because someone else removed the import markings on a J&G model 10s gunsmith special that were imported. I wrote them and they said it was legal to remove such markings
Their email address is [email protected] <[email protected]>;
As far as liability goes. I might BBQ some chicken and if I let somebody else eat any of it and they choke on a bone I could be sued!!!!!!!!!!
If you won't let a friend shot your reloads, I suggest you don't lend him your car either. They could have a wreck.
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kbm6893
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A friend of mine was just gifted a 4506. It was filthy and I cleaned it. I am waiting on some new springs but I was going to give my friend 50 of my reloads just to take it for a spin. Ammo being so scarce right now. I generally don't let other people shoot my reloads but I figured it wouldn't be an issue. I weigh every single charge I throw right down to the 1/10th of a grain, so I'm not worried about squib or kaboom. Maybe I should rethink it.
I shoot others loads...I am not gonna load 9mm...so I have a very conscientious friend load them for me. He uses a Dillon 550 I gave him to use. There are a couple of guns I will not shoot reloads in though unless I load them. But They are essentially irreplaceable and worth more than a pristine Registered Magnum... But they are shotguns. I at one time loaded ammo commercially. I learned a lesson pretty quickly
You stated you received 2000 rds of brass for 250 loaded! Big bother refers to that as the "barter system(same as cash)" and that puts you "in the business"!Oh Please don't tell me that my knees are starting to tremble..
No, I don't have a facebook or twitter account.
jcelect
Yes I said that, didn't say it was in payment for however it was a donation for my effort...
Just received another 1000 rds of .223 brass today as a donation for my effort.
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I’m 70, some of you old Ladies need to get a life. I’m not loading for every body I know, but I would and do load for friends. We are a pretty tight group and are always engaged in building somebody’s garage, changing out a hot water tank ect. We don’t spend a lot of time obsessing over such matters. Don’t worry about a few bucks giving a friend a box of ammo either.
I can gift say my brother all the reloads I want. He can gift me all the brass he wants, Returning a favor is not barter nor is the exchange of gifts. No witnesses, no receipts, no evidence. I wouldn't be telling the world about it though. First of all its nobody else's business. But, I think the BATF and the courts have better things to do that prosecute examples like this. Could they. Probably, but then, if they want to they can probably find a reason to charge just about anyone with something nit picky.
I'll buy if you fly doesn't make you into a delivery service business. But, you could call it barter. Look out the Department of Transportation is going to "Get cha"
If it was the way some people seem to think it was about half the people at a gun show would go to prison for something. That guy with the old 30-30 and 1/2 a box of shells. Off to the pen. He can sell the gun but not the ammo.
I mix up some tannerite and hand it to my buddy to go set on the hill side. I just manufactured and distributed explosives. Off to prison.
You gave you buddy an Advil. Your not license for that.
Possible yes. But, highly unlikely.
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VaTom
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If you have ever witnessed a perfectly good Smith & Wesson revolver blow up from improperly reloaded ammo it is not pretty.
Back in 1976 I was in LE Basic Academy. We were issued nickel Model 10's. One of my fellow recruits got into reloading. Brought some of his reloaded .38 special rounds to the range and decided to try them before the instructors arrived. Don't know what happened/problem but when he fired his service revolver it blew up. Blew out the top of the cylinder and blew the top strap off the frame. He didnt get canned but sure he had to reimburse the department for his revolver. Fortunately no one was injured.
We used to train with 3-D Brand remanufactured ammo but i have never shot any reloads otherwise.
If I reloaded i would not do so for others for reasons stayed above.
Back in 1976 I was in LE Basic Academy. We were issued nickel Model 10's. One of my fellow recruits got into reloading. Brought some of his reloaded .38 special rounds to the range and decided to try them before the instructors arrived. Don't know what happened/problem but when he fired his service revolver it blew up. Blew out the top of the cylinder and blew the top strap off the frame. He didnt get canned but sure he had to reimburse the department for his revolver. Fortunately no one was injured.
We used to train with 3-D Brand remanufactured ammo but i have never shot any reloads otherwise.
If I reloaded i would not do so for others for reasons stayed above.
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I like your thinking and I'm a youngster of one year younger then you.
Down here in hills we don’t worry to much about licenses and permits and such. We sure don’t worry about “what if” and some rookie that blows top out of revolver with a double dose of Bullseye. I sold thousands of rounds of 3d and Mountaineer reloads to law agencies for years without a problem. I know guys who won’t shoot lead bullets, others who won’t shoot hand loads at all. Lots of guys won’t buy a used gun. What can I say? It’s their business the other 99% of us take the “risk”.
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My reloads are shot by myself and my kids only. I’ll gladly lend components and equipment to close friends, but draw the line at actually loading ammo for anyone.
Cdog
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I won't lend my vehicle to anyone.
I did that one time too many and it cost me thousands!
"For profit or livelihood" Reimbursement for cost does not count.
