9mm 115 grains HP/XTP with HS-6??

Smith-Nut · Jun 5, 2014

I'm going to load some 9mm Hornady HP/XTP (#35540) with some HS-6. It is not needed to be "hot or not", just a normal good load for primarily S&W Model 39 and Glock 19.

I'm thinking about just going for 7 grains og HS-6, which according to my European reloading books should be a starting load (7,5 grains meting maximum).

Any thoughts?

NJM15 · Jun 5, 2014

Smith-Nut said:
I'm going to load some 9mm Hornady HP/XTP (#35540) with some HS-6. It is not needed to be "hot or not", just a normal good load for primarily S&W Model 39 and Glock 19.

I'm thinking about just going for 7 grains og HS-6, which according to my European reloading books should be a starting load (7,5 grains meting maximum).

Any thoughts?

I load my 115 gr xtp ammo at 6.7 to 7.0 HS 6 with good results according to my Lee stats, 7.0 is max Couldn't find HS 6 so I picked up some IMR 4756 in order to cycle I loaded 6.5 gr their max is 5.2 that sounds low compared to the hs6

*chris* · Jun 5, 2014

Just did the same thing with 6.5 gn of HS-6 and it easily meets USPSA minor power factor. Very consistent, easily meterable powder.

Chris

Rule3 · Jun 5, 2014

Hodgdon use the Gold Dot but it is "similar"

Set your sights on pistol reloading data | Hodgdon Reloading

Per the Hornady manual you are over their MAX also for the 115 XTP

I am not posting actual data. If you need the Hornady data please PM me,

Nevada Ed · Jun 5, 2014

I am interested in what OAL was used with the XTP 115 bullets.

Some have a 124gr HP at 1.125" ....... never saw a 115gr XTP in any data so far that gave a oal.

They are said to work great in the gel and 4G test with the 3" 9mms at 1095 fps.

13" penetration!!

Rule3 · Jun 5, 2014

Nevada Ed said:
I am interested in what OAL was used with the XTP 115 bullets.

Some have a 124gr HP at 1.125" ....... never saw a 115gr XTP in any data so far that gave a oal.

They are said to work great in the gel and 4G test with the 3" 9mms at 1095 fps.

13" penetration!!

Hornady uses 1.075. The XTP has this little line thingy, do dad on it.

Smith-Nut · Jun 5, 2014

Thanks alot. I'll research some more. I'm pretty sure I used 7,2 grains of HS-6 last time I loaded a 115 grains bullet. It was also a Hornady HP bullet (don't remember which). I still have some so I'll take one apart and see how much HS-6 actually is inside (the loads have worked great in varias guns).

trophyhunter · Jun 5, 2014

Smith-Nut said:
Thanks alot. I'll research some more. I'm pretty sure I used 7,2 grains of HS-6 last time I loaded a 115 grains bullet. It was also a Hornady HP bullet (don't remember which). I still have some so I'll take one apart and see how much HS-6 actually is inside (the loads have worked great in varias guns).

Sent you some info in a PM, have fun with it that's a great load combo your using.

Smith-Nut · Jun 5, 2014

trophyhunter said:
Sent you some info in a PM, have fun with it that's a great load combo your using.

Thanks alot. And gues what. I'm using Berdan cases

trophyhunter · Jun 5, 2014

Smith-Nut said:
Thanks alot. And gues what. I'm using Berdan cases

Your Glock will love that load, I have a 2nd gen 19 and there's now 2 more 4th gen 19's in the family and they really don't like anything that runs under 33K psi at all, especially the new ones.

You were spot on with what you were using

Rule3 · Jun 5, 2014

Smith-Nut said:
Thanks alot. I'll research some more. I'm pretty sure I used 7,2 grains of HS-6 last time I loaded a 115 grains bullet. It was also a Hornady HP bullet (don't remember which). I still have some so I'll take one apart and see how much HS-6 actually is inside (the loads have worked great in varias guns).

You do not write down the data on you reloads so you know what powder and how much is used along with other information??

The loads that are listed on these posts exceed the Hodgdon Max and the Hornady Max for HS6 and the 115 XTP

Not very safe practices.

Smith-Nut · Jun 6, 2014

Rule3 said:
The loads that are listed on these posts exceed the Hodgdon Max and the Hornady Max for HS6 and the 115 XTP

Not very safe practices.

YES I do, however these loads where made YEARS ago, and after a couple of tours to Iraq I lost some reloading INFO. And normally I only reload rifle ammo (for hunting), and you can wake me up anytime during the night and I can tell you what the velocity at 100 meters would be on any given load I ever made for rifle (of course chronografed at 100 meters). Also I can should you test groups for any load I ever made.

Unfurtunatly I've never been that dedicated when it gomes to pistol realoding. Mainly because I pratically only shoot army ammo (don't hardly ever shoot privatly), but I've got vacation right now and found a box of bullets in the drawer so I thought I would enjoy myself with some reloading.

But you are right

Rule3 · Jun 6, 2014

A piece of tape and a sharpie.

gm272gs · Jun 6, 2014

I guess I am a bit retentive. I keep track of every load for every caliber I have ever done, in a three-ring binder.

With a copy on the computer.

Smith-Nut · Jun 7, 2014

Well you guys you must understand the difference between Denmark and USA regarding anything regarding weapons. To put it short I can't carry pocketknive if the blade can be locked in open possision and is longer the 7 cm (that is SHORTER then 3 inches). And I'm a army major and have served several places.

Imagine the rulles for owning a gun or getting a reloading permit.

The old load was made prior to a tour to x-Jugoslavia in 1995. It was made so my wife had some better rounds then army FMJ (of course the pistol in the house was on a sporting permit. It takes two years as an active shooter in a club before you can apply for a permit to bring home the gun).

A label was put on the ammo box but years later the boxes had to be used for some "sports round" so the label was removed. But why?

Because the chance of me finding a 115 grains HP bullet in Denmark ever again is (was) pretty low.

A year ago I was on a exercise close to one of Denmarks largest huntingstores (the size of what you got in any smaller city). They hold VERY little reloading stuff for handguns. Well guess what they had two boxes of the HP/XTP (YES only two) so I bought them. I can't find the Best manstopper and build up the best load. I have to take what I can find.

I won't even tell you how difficult it was for me to get 65 grain Sierra Game King .223 bullets into the country.

So gentlemen you are right but this is a different world.

Steve C · Jun 7, 2014

I chrono'd a 7.0 gr load of HS-6 behind a Remington 115gr JHP S&B cases lit by a Winchester primer shot from my Glock 19. The 10 shot average velocity was 1,237 fps. Was listed as a max load at that time and still is maximum for the current Hodgdon on line data.

The Hornady data from my Load book shows their maximum is 6.4gr with the 115gr XTP for 1,150 fps.

Smith-Nut · Jun 8, 2014

Steve C said:
I chrono'd a 7.0 gr load of HS-6 behind a Remington 115gr JHP S&B cases lit by a Winchester primer shot from my Glock 19. The 10 shot average velocity was 1,237 fps. Was listed as a max load at that time and still is maximum for the current Hodgdon on line data.

1,237 fps should be 377 m/s (sorry I'm European). That does not make me worry too much. A standard NATO FMJ 115 grain (also gomes in 124 grains odly enough) should have a muzzle velocity of at least 350 m/s (1,148). Normally they are around 365 m/s (1,196). But your messure of 1,237 is in the fast end and therefor the load must be in the max end.

With that being said. On my can of Hodgon HS-6, they list 6.8 grains for a 124 grain Sie. FMJ (1,169). If they safely sugguest 6.8 grains for a 124 grain bullet I would think 7.0 for a 115 grain bullet would be safe. Am I totally wrong?

My own European loading manual list 7.0 HS-6 as STARTING load (1,201) and 7.5 as max (1,225) for a 115 grains Speer Gold Dot. This is why I'm thinking 7.0 for the Hornady bullet would be safe.

Steve C said:
The Hornady data from my Load book shows their maximum is 6.4gr with the 115gr XTP for 1,150 fps.

It sounds as a low load based on the info above (this is why I love reloading. The research part has to be 100 % ok).

Thanks to all of you and please keep it comming.

Smith-Nut · Jun 8, 2014

However Hodgon.com does list 6.9 and 7.0 as max loads???

Smith-Nut · Jun 8, 2014

And my own manual which I have no reason to doubt.

Smith-Nut · Jun 8, 2014

I now took apart one of the few HP 9 mm reloads I have, that was made YEARS ago. I thought they where 115 grains but in fact they where 124 grains. They hold 6.7 grains of HS-6 which is a maximum load. They have worked well.

The sporting loads I reloaded hold 6.6 grains of HS-6 for an Italien 123 grains LRN GZN and they also work fine.

I'm think I'll go for 7 grains of HS-6

9mm 115 grains HP/XTP with HS-6??

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