Best Powder for Short Barrel .44mag

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I just bought a 3" Model 629, and am looking to load some Ammo.
I have always used H110, or W296, and 2400 to load for my 6" Guns. I am concerned that the slower Powders won't burn completely in a 3" BBL. Can anyone recommend a decent short BBL Powder ?
 
Years ago, American Rifleman had an article on a controllable load for a short barreled 44. What the author came up with was seven grains of Red Dot behind a 240 SWC. I would stress that you need to search around and verify that load because I never used it, but it seems to be in the ballpark for a solid but fairly "shooter friendly" load.
 
The rule of thumb that I have always heard is that it takes a 4 inch barrel for a complete burn. That's why you often see a fire ball blown out of the 3 inch or shorter guns (?) I think I would start with those I like, and see how that went. I like Unique on the warmer side in my 44 mags-but none are shorter barrels. Go safely.
 
I use Red Dot in mine with a 240 gr. cast swc. Makes an accurate fun to shoot load.
 
Don't have any proof but my thought has always been to use a faster powder in short barrels, you don't get the high velocities like with the slower powders but,
I think the slow powders are still burning after the bullet is out of the barrel resulting in the big fire ball.
 
Here's some load data for AA #2. It's a low flash powder. I've shot the maximum 240 gr bullet load in a Model 69 and I think it would be very suitable for a 3" N frame.


Bullet weight: 200 grains.
Low load: 5.7 grains (ca 900 Fps)
Intermediate load: 6.5 (ca 1050 Fps).
Maximum load: 10.0 grains (ca 1275 Fps).

Bullet weight: 240 grains.
Low load: 6.0 grains (ca 850 Fps)
Intermediate load: 7.5 (ca 1025 Fps).
Maximum load: 9.0 grains (ca 1200 Fps).
 
Years ago, American Rifleman had an article on a controllable load for a short barreled 44. What the author came up with was seven grains of Red Dot behind a 240 SWC. I would stress that you need to search around and verify that load because I never used it, but it seems to be in the ballpark for a solid but fairly "shooter friendly" load.

I used Red Dot often for the downloaded .44 mag. Always loaded 6.5 grs under a 240 Speer LSWC. IIRC that load is listed in one of Speers older manuals under the .44 Spl section. Very clean burning and accurate.
 
I do not know where Shocker came up with that load data for Accurate #2 but I am NOT AT ALL comfortable with using this powder in a 44 Magnum. Accurate #2 is a fairly "fast" powder and the only listing I can find for this powder in a 44 caliber is for the 44 Special at charges much lighter than those he posted. Since fast powders at heavier charge weights tend to blow up guns instead of producing "hotter" ammo I would suggest you pass on this recommendation unless Shocker posts the original source.

Personally, I would suggest Accurate #9 for a 240 grain jacketed bullet and Accurate #7 for a 200 grain jacketed bullet. As for charge weights, you can download Accurate's load manual online and look for yourself.

Note, my experience with these two powders is in 357 Magnum and with a 158 grain Hornady XTP a lower flash 1200 fps. load with Accurate #9 is distinctly accurate with groups ranging around 1.5 inches at 25 yards off a sandbag with my 4 inch 620. For Accurate #7 my bullet choice is the 140 grain XTP with similar results.
 
I have a 629 4" that is magna ported. I use W296 and 240gr JHP.
Mag primers.
 
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If you are concerned with velocity, barrel length does not affect powder choice. Use 296, H110 or 2400, just as you would with a 8" barrel.

If you want to reduce muzzle flash and make a good plinking load for your 240 gr SWC, use a faster powder like Clays Universal, Unique or 4756.
 
2400 will be better than H110 or BlueDot IMO. As noted, highest vel always comes from slower powders. If you don't care about that, then any of the medium burners from Unique to about AA#7 will work "better", less flash & blast & you'll get within 50fps of 2400.
 
If you are concerned with velocity, barrel length does not affect powder choice. Use 296, H110 or 2400, just as you would with a 8" barrel.

Bingo. If speed is what you are after, fastest in a long barrel=fastest in a short barrel.
 
A little off topic here but when I read the comment about all the powder burning in a 4 inch barrel I'm reminded of a few years back I was at an indoor range and some guys where shooting a 6 inch barrel 44 loaded with 296, don't know the load but after they left the owner swept up in front of the lane they were shoot at and lit the pile of un burnt powder. He said thats what you get with 296 a lot of un burnt powder. later on I found Little gun, lets you keep the velocity up with less chamber pressure.
 
In my experience, many hand loaders underestimate the importance of a faster powder in a short barrel, especially in a magnum cartridge where's a lot of powder to be burnt in the available bore.

I don't have any .44 Mag or .45 Colt chronograph data handy at the moment, but I pulled some chronograph data from recent load development for 125 gr XTP loads using Win 296 and Unique in a 3" Ruger SP101. The results are pretty significant. In both cases, I started mid range, and stopped when the cases started to stick slightly on ejection.

Win 296

18.0 gr Win 296
Average velocity = 1090 fps
Standard Deviation = 45.77 fps

19.0 gr Win 296
Average velocity = 1116 fps
Standard Deviation = 56.85 fps

19.5 gr Win 296
Average velocity = 1132 fps
Standard Deviation = 35.49 fps

These are loads I rejected due to:

a) the high SD,
b) the relatively small increase in velocity for the increase in charge weight,
c) the very large and visible muzzle flash even in the mid day sun; and
d) the large amount of powder being blown back at me.

All of the above are indicators that the load just isn't very efficient in the 3" barrel, which makes sense given that Win 296 is a slower burning powder

Unique

In comparison here are some loads using Unique with the same bullet in the same 3" SP101:

8.0 gr Unique
Average velocity = 1169 fps
Standard Deviation = 29.81 fps

8.5 gr Unique
Average velocity = 1243 fps
Standard Deviation = 31.65 fps

9.0 gr Unique
Average velocity = 1296 fps
Standard Deviation = 27.69 fps

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The 8.2 gr and 9.0 gr Unique loads compare to average velocities of 1250 fps and 1340 fps respectively in an 8" revolver, so with a faster burning powder like Unique, the loads are actually losing very little velocity despite a barrel that is 5" shorter. There was also significantly less muzzle flash and no residue being thrown back at me.

In contrast, the 18.5 and 19.0 gr Win 296 loads generate velocities of 1390 fps and 1440 fps respectively in an 8" revolver. That's a velocity loss of just over 300 fps in the 3" barrel.

The high end load with Unique is also 164 fps faster than the top load with Win 296 and it's clearly a better performer with similar peak pressures, judging by the ejection of the brass. Even in mixed head stamp brass, the SD is significantly lower and with charge weights roughly half as much as with 296 the recoil of the two loads is comparable despite the higher velocity of the Unique load. Plus, with half the weight of powder being burnt, the powder cost per round is half as much.

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Personally, for calibers like the .357 Mag, .44 Mag and .45 Colt I normally limit my use of slow burning powders like Lil'Gun and Win 296 to Contender and carbine length barrels and the shortest I go is a 7 1/2 Blackhawk with the powders, and even in a 7 1/2" barrel it's not completely efficient.

The payoff for an efficient and consistent burning load is also usually better accuracy, especially if you find a sweet spot for the barrel.

This is very good accuracy from a 3" snub at 10 yards:

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Even the 10 shot group looks very good, especially when you consider the flier was my fault with a bit to much pressure on the trigger before the sights were precisely aligned.

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.44 Magnum 200 and 240 grain loads:

The sad fact of most major reloading manuals is that they tend to use newer powders in newer editions and a lot of very good loads using older powders get left in the dust.

If you can find an older loading manual on e-bay, it's usually worth the cost, especially with pistol powder availability being a little spotty, making some powders hard to find.

The Hornady Second edition lists both Bullseye and Unique for the .44 Magnum with 200 gr and 240 gr hollow points using a 7 1/2" barrel, but as noted above, you shouldn't be losing much velocity in a short barrel.

Take the data with a grain of salt and work up slowly as you'll be substituting a different bullet with different bearing surface and "stickiness" in the bore.

200 grain hollow point:

Bullseye:
starting load:
9.4 grains (1150 fps)
Maximum load:
11.2 grains (1300 fps)

Unique:
starting load:
10.6 grains (1150 fps)
Maximum load:
13.7 grains (1400 fps)

240 gr hollow point:

Unique:
starting load:
9.7 grains (1050 fps)
Maximum load:
11.2 grains (1200 fps)
 
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