147 grain 357 mag help

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Hello I just joined this forum but I have been reading it for years. I have a question about loading 357 mag. I'm not New to reloading probably been loading for 5 years now. I just purchased some 147 grain pulled hydra shoks And turns out there is no real load data for that particular bullet. I have 2400 w296 and hp38 powders to use. From hodgdons website I found a load for a 146 grain spr jhp and the data said 15.5-17.2 grains of 296 with an oal of 1.535 well when I went to seat the bullets I can't get them that short. I can get em to 1.590. So My question is would that cause a pressure spike with 296 or does anyone have any experience loading 147 grain hydra shoks? I have an eaa windicator 2" a 19-3 4" and a 686-4 6" I'm looking for a really hot round just to blow up pumpkins and get a big muzzle flash. I won't be shooting any out of the 19. Thank you for any help.
 
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I would feel safe using the data for the 146 Gr. JHP at the starting load of 15.5. I would not go to the max without specific load data for that projectile. I don't understand why you can't get the OAL you want. Your dies should allow you anything within reason and then some. Did you pull the bullets? I don't quite understand the logic in that as well.
 
I would feel safe using the data for the 146 Gr. JHP at the starting load of 15.5. I would not go to the max without specific load data for that projectile. I don't understand why you can't get the OAL you want. Your dies should allow you anything within reason and then some. Did you pull the bullets? I don't quite understand the logic in that as well.

I bought the bullets already pulled. I got them from rocky mountain reloading. And I can't get the oal that small because the bullet is not long enough. If I make it that short I'll be on the ogive of the bullet
 
Something is very odd about this, starting with the bullet weight. If you have a set of calipers check the bullet diameter. If it's .355 or .356 the I'd say the bullets were originally pulled from 9mm cartridges, not .38 Special or .357 Magnum. That would explain the shape and lack of crimp line. If so, seat them to 1.56" or 1.59" and use the minimum powder charge and light crimp. If it were me, I'd buy bullets from someone else in the future.
 
Something is very odd about this, starting with the bullet weight. If you have a set of calipers check the bullet diameter. If it's .355 or .356 the I'd say the bullets were originally pulled from 9mm cartridges, not .38 Special or .357 Magnum. That would explain the shape and lack of crimp line. If so, seat them to 1.56" or 1.59" and use the minimum powder charge and light crimp. If it were me, I'd buy bullets from someone else in the future.


They do have a canelure. They are 38 caliber bullets. I looked at all that stuff before posting. Like I said I'm not New to reloading there just ain't much data for 147 grain bullets and most of it is for lead
 
The standard overall length for the 357 Magnum is 1.590 inch and I don't see any risk at all in loading a bit "long". In fact with smokeless powders it's probably that loading longer will act to reduce pressure by a small amount.

As for your charge amount, I would start low and work up cautiously. A typical indicator of excess pressure in a 357 Magnum is Sticky Extraction. Don't rely on "reading" you primers, it's been my experience that extraction starts to get sticky well before the primers start to show any sign of flattening.

Note, it's also been my experience that in spite of what you read on the Net you can load H110/W296 distinctly "light" without issues as long as you use a Magnum Primer AND use a firm crimp on the bullet. My most accurate load for my 1892 Winchester features a 158 grain Hornady XTP loaded with 14.8 grains of H110. Take a look an Hodgdon's data and you'll find that charge is actually BELOW the listed starting charge for this bullet. I'll also point out that the original source for this particular load was the Hornady manual and I've found this manual is a better source for guidance on loads that are truly accurate instead of being foolishly "hot".

Finally, I am NOT a fan of H110/W296 for handgun loads, I find to too flashy and plain LOUD. Where I think this powder really shines is in rifle loads, such as my Winchester and my 300 Blackout. Used in a barrel long enough for the slow burn rate of this powder you get a very clean shooting low flash load that is very accurate. However, since you seem to want a high flash load for pulverizing Pumpkins I expect that this powder is just what you are looking for. I would simply suggest that you double up on the hearing protection because out of that 2 inch barrel of yours there will be enough BAHOOOM to the report to make you check twice to see if you blew up your gun. Note, 125 grain XTP combined with 21.5 grains of H110 out of a 4 inch barrel will produce a reported 25 foot muzzle flash and BAHOOOM volume to make a 500 Magnum user flinch. I'll also state I won't repeat that particular experiment, just 15 rounds put a distinctly measurable groove in a top strap that was nearly virgin.
 
They sure look like 38 cal bullets. I ordered a bunch of other bullets and seen these for cheap so I figured I'd give em a shot
 

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The standard overall length for the 357 Magnum is 1.590 inch and I don't see any risk at all in loading a bit "long". In fact with smokeless powders it's probably that loading longer will act to reduce pressure by a small amount.

As for your charge amount, I would start low and work up cautiously. A typical indicator of excess pressure in a 357 Magnum is Sticky Extraction. Don't rely on "reading" you primers, it's been my experience that extraction starts to get sticky well before the primers start to show any sign of flattening.

Note, it's also been my experience that in spite of what you read on the Net you can load H110/W296 distinctly "light" without issues as long as you use a Magnum Primer AND use a firm crimp on the bullet. My most accurate load for my 1892 Winchester features a 158 grain Hornady XTP loaded with 14.8 grains of H110. Take a look an Hodgdon's data and you'll find that charge is actually BELOW the listed starting charge for this bullet. I'll also point out that the original source for this particular load was the Hornady manual and I've found this manual is a better source for guidance on loads that are truly accurate instead of being foolishly "hot".

Finally, I am NOT a fan of H110/W296 for handgun loads, I find to too flashy and plain LOUD. Where I think this powder really shines is in rifle loads, such as my Winchester and my 300 Blackout. Used in a barrel long enough for the slow burn rate of this powder you get a very clean shooting low flash load that is very accurate. However, since you seem to want a high flash load for pulverizing Pumpkins I expect that this powder is just what you are looking for. I would simply suggest that you double up on the hearing protection because out of that 2 inch barrel of yours there will be enough BAHOOOM to the report to make you check twice to see if you blew up your gun. Note, 125 grain XTP combined with 21.5 grains of H110 out of a 4 inch barrel will produce a reported 25 foot muzzle flash and BAHOOOM volume to make a 500 Magnum user flinch. I'll also state I won't repeat that particular experiment, just 15 rounds put a distinctly measurable groove in a top strap that was nearly virgin.



That's what I was worried about since its 296 an under charge and then have more open space inside the case by seating longer. And I bought the 296 for my 44 mags out of my 1894 and I loaded some 158 grain xtp's in a 357 with it at 14.7 grains iirc and it was mean load for sure
 
Loading long isn't going to cause problems as long as they fit in the cylinder. If load data isn't available you should be fine using data for the next heaviest bullet.
For OAL you could try to search the web for the length of Federals loaded rounds.
 
The reality is that you could use the highest charge weight listed for
the 146 gr bullet which is a half jacket HP, seat to the cannelure and
crimp and fire away with no concern. The old Speer half jacket design
bullet creates higher pressure in handloads compared to the current
bullet designs. With 296/H110 powder you're not going to get top
velocity or excessive pressure with the 17.2 charge weight with your
bullets.
 
The picture shows a cannelure, So load to that as far as COL.

I do not know, as Federal Premium does not have a factory 147 gr 357 or 38 special, so who knows what they were pulled from.?
 
Why not just load them in 38 cases from which they were intended?
 
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The OAL is given for the bullet they were using. You are not using that bullet, and the OAL will not be the same with your bullet. Use the cannelure, and if it fits the cylinder you are good to go.
 
Why not just load them in 38 cases from which they were intended?

Because Murphy will make sure that one of those magnum loads would eventually find it's way into somebody's .38 Special revolver. The magnum case is longer for a reason.
 
The reality is that you could use the highest charge weight listed for
the 146 gr bullet which is a half jacket HP, seat to the cannelure and
crimp and fire away with no concern. The old Speer half jacket design
bullet creates higher pressure in handloads compared to the current
bullet designs. With 296/H110 powder you're not going to get top
velocity or excessive pressure with the 17.2 charge weight with your
bullets.
Bingo!
Just use 150 grain or 158 grain data and work up carefully.
 
The lyman manual has loads for 146 gr JHP bullets for both 38 and 357.

One grain of bullet weight isn't going to cost you any fingers.

Weigh every bullet and stay one load below max.

PM me if you want the data.

Jim
 
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