RONALD HENSLEY
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Any of you wanna share any experience with hodgdon titegroup and xtreme 125 gr. Plated hollow points or any 125gr. Plated bullets for that matter, not a whole lot of info out there!
TITEGROUP AND 125GR 38 SPECIAL LOAD DATA
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bananaman
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Did you try their web site? They show 2 loads for 125 gr. .38 Special. Bob
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Wee Hooker
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.....and there you go. Good advice and good data. I'd add that for plated bullets, convention says that you start with mid range cast lead data and work up while watching for pressure signs.
I can tell you that I'd had decent success with 3.7 gr of Tightgroup under a 125 gr cast LRN bullet. In the end I found a better recipe with a different powder though.
Clovishound
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I've been using Xtreme's plated rnfp 158 grain with Titegroup. I will likely switch to another powder when I run out of Titegroup, assuming powder options are still available then. I'm using the higher end of lead data. I have not had good luck with 125 grain in .38. Accuracy issues.
You must be careful with most powders in a .38 case. I use a powder check die religiously with both .38 and .357. 9mm, I just look at the case prior to seating a bullet. If I am over by much in a 9mm, you can easily see it.
You must be careful with most powders in a .38 case. I use a powder check die religiously with both .38 and .357. 9mm, I just look at the case prior to seating a bullet. If I am over by much in a 9mm, you can easily see it.
9mmsubgun-m11
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Clovishound,you might try Win 231 with the X-Treme 125 plated bullets. I run this load with 4.0 and 4.5gr and have excellent accuracy. The 4.0gr load out of my M&P R8 will produce an 8 shot group off the bench at 25' that can be covered with a nickel.
slickracer
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3.4 grains works well with 125 lead.
venomballistics
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TG is a powder for those who know what they are doing.
While useful, it is one of the most unforgiving powders made.
Since you are asking about it, it is strongly implied that you have formed no opinion of it, and do not possess the experience to use it to proper effect.
Therefore, Ill nudge you down the aisle to 231, AA#5, CFE pistol, Unique, Universal, Green dot, Power pistol or BE86.
While useful, it is one of the most unforgiving powders made.
Since you are asking about it, it is strongly implied that you have formed no opinion of it, and do not possess the experience to use it to proper effect.
Therefore, Ill nudge you down the aisle to 231, AA#5, CFE pistol, Unique, Universal, Green dot, Power pistol or BE86.
OP
RONALD HENSLEY
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Thanks all for the input
dmy
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I'm fairly pleased with 3.4 grs of TiteGroup behind a Berry's 125 gr FP in .38 special cases with a COL of 1.44"-1.45" in a 3" revolver. Very mild recoil, although not quite as mild as 231. For some reason (possibly my lack of concentration), my groups expanded significantly using the same brand of brass and bullets with 3.5 grs of TiteGroup.
One question for all of you that use "Smooth wall" jacket bullets in the 38 and 357 weapons.
When finished loading, can the bullet move back into the case if pushed against the loading table?
My light weight J frame might have bullet setback with the higher recoil, and I don't want any surprises.
I can put a heavy crimp on the old style bullets, to prevent setback.
When finished loading, can the bullet move back into the case if pushed against the loading table?
My light weight J frame might have bullet setback with the higher recoil, and I don't want any surprises.
I can put a heavy crimp on the old style bullets, to prevent setback.
9mmsubgun-m11
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My loads will not move back and any that I have pulled have taken considerable force to expel the bullet.
Owly
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I have loaded and fired hundreds if not thousands of .38s using 3.5 gn of TiteGroup under a 125 gn lead cast bullet. One of my favorite bowling pin poppers. Folks like to emphasize caution with TiteGroup, but it's really no different to work with than any other fast powders (Bullseye, 700-X, etc). Just stay diligent and watch out for double charges.
Hodgdon lists 5.0 grs as a +P load for Titegroup with a 125 gr JHP.
Lyman lists the same. If you're looking for a range of data for Titegroup with plated bullets without fear of sticking a bullet then
jacketed bullet data would seem to be your answer. From Hodgdon's
data it looks like 4.0-5.0 grs.
Lyman lists the same. If you're looking for a range of data for Titegroup with plated bullets without fear of sticking a bullet then
jacketed bullet data would seem to be your answer. From Hodgdon's
data it looks like 4.0-5.0 grs.
Model 15-4ever
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Hogwash of the highest order.
Titegroup is a great propellant that will serve you well and be economical at the same time. There are no special warnings from Hodgdon concerning Titegroup; it's no different than any other popular fast-burning pistol powder such as Bullseye, 700-X, etc. Use it without any consternation, following proper reloading techniques.
Improperly putting a double charge into a case with any propellant can cause a hazardous firing condition. Low-charge weights make detecting that condition a bit harder, IF you aren't using proper reloading techniques. If you are afraid of double-charging, perhaps you shouldn't be reloading at all, as you don't have the concentration necessary to do it safely. Hand loading is not for everyone.
I've used Titegroup to load and shoot thousands of rounds of .38 Special, .32 Auto, .45 Auto, .44 Special and .380 Auto. All with no ill effects, and excellent results in the firearms and on the targets. Using cast, plated and jacketed bullets. In .38 Special, 4.0 grains of Titegroup and a 125 grain bullet make a mild and accurate combination. Try 5.0 grains for a "+P" load suitable for any modern revolver with the 125 grain bullet.
Enjoy the hobby and be safe.
Qc Pistolero
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I'm just finishing a batch of aprox 3000rds of .38Spl.154gr SWC on top of 3.8gr Titegroup.They advertise that load (with a 158gr)at 920FPS.I've chronoed it at 904FPS and 898FPS out of a 6 1/2''Blackhawk and 6''Python.Close enough for govt's work and quite accurate too!Next step,I'll chrono it out of a 2'' J frame(aluminium).In my book,Titegroup does a fine job in the .38Spl.
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I'm unfamiliar with "Extreme" bullets, but certainly the manufacturer has some data.
As for Titegroup powder, there's nothing wrong with it; just exercise reasonable caution as you would any other powder. Use only published load data from reputable sources, not questionable Internet stuff from self-anointed experts.
As for Titegroup powder, there's nothing wrong with it; just exercise reasonable caution as you would any other powder. Use only published load data from reputable sources, not questionable Internet stuff from self-anointed experts.
I don't like to get in the middle of things, but I've had two pounds of titegroup on my shelf for about 2 years, I just started loading with it. It is a good powder meters OK in my Dillon powder measure, and burns fairly clean. I loaded it in both 38 spl and in 9mm. it does tend to get a little spikey pretty fast. example 3.8 start- 4.4 max load in the book, 3.8 weak, 3.9 little weak,4.0 velocity ok,4.1 damn it got hot 1138 average 9mm velocity. The .1 grain made a big jump. I've been loading for about 30 years, I wasn't shocked or surprised. I just follow my usual load work up and found that for me titegroup got spikey at 4.1 in that caliber with that gun. Go slow with it, work up your load judiciously and don't cut corners especially on the high end of the load data. I personally found it a little temperamental, but than I've been married for 28 years so I'm used to temperamental.
cowboy4evr
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In a short case like the 9mm ,a slight increase in charge weight like that wouldn't surprise me . In a 38 special case I personally haven't found it so tempermental . I have loaded a lot of 38 spl's with titegroup and 125 gr cast bullet for the airweight J frames for target practice . I was always very satisfied.
My biggest gripe about " titegroup " is the wrapper on the bottle looks identical to Hodgdon's " Titewad " a very fast shotgun powder . I grabbed up a bottle of the latter by mistake at a gunshow . I'm sure I'm not the only one that has happened to .
My biggest gripe about " titegroup " is the wrapper on the bottle looks identical to Hodgdon's " Titewad " a very fast shotgun powder . I grabbed up a bottle of the latter by mistake at a gunshow . I'm sure I'm not the only one that has happened to .
