Question for Lyman 55 measure users

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I use a Lyman 55 I bought second hand 6-7 yrs ago and today I realized I only have one drop tube. And the parts list shows two drop tubes, a small and a large.

The one I have, a .45 ACP case just does fit into the diameter of the tube. Can someone tell me if I have a large or small drop tube?

Thanks,
 
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I use a Lyman 55 I bought second hand 6-7 yrs ago and today I realized I only have one drop tube. And the parts list shows two drop tubes, a small and a large.

The one I have, a .45 ACP case just does fit into the diameter of the tube. Can someone tell me if I have a large or small drop tube?

Thanks,

The "large" and "small" are identical except for the center hole! Try a .22 case, or even cartridge in the drop tube. If it goes through the center hole you have a large, if not then you have a small.

If you have a "small" it can be used with just about anything, it just flows slower and may have bridging problems with some of the tubular powders. With typical pistol powders and charges you will never know the difference!
 
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I checked mine like Alk8944 described, pretty sure it's the small drop tube. I'll probably order a large tube from Lyman.
 
I started reloading 37 years ago with a borrowed Lyman 55. I didn't there were two sizes of drop tubes until I purchased a replacement when the owner needed it. I bought the Black Powder variant, which has an aluminum hopper and also has a long two piece drop tube for large case filling. The point wish to make, is I reloaded everything from 22 Hornet and 32 S&W on the small end to 375 and 45-70 on the big end with the small tube only. Save the money on the extra tube and buy more components.

Ivan
 
I have used a Lyman 55 since about 1968, and I don't even have the large drop tube. I don't know if it even originally came with two different sizes.
 
I started reloading 37 years ago with a borrowed Lyman 55. I didn't there were two sizes of drop tubes until I purchased a replacement when the owner needed it. I bought the Black Powder variant, which has an aluminum hopper and also has a long two piece drop tube for large case filling. The point wish to make, is I reloaded everything from 22 Hornet and 32 S&W on the small end to 375 and 45-70 on the big end with the small tube only. Save the money on the extra tube and buy more components.

Ivan

Hi Ivan, i have been watching the Lyman Ideal 55's on ebay in order to get one. I am new to reloading and will be reloading for one cartridge only the 45-70 trapdoor. I got the Lee press kit and the correct dies as recommended in the Wolf booklet.
The press kit came with the perfect powder measure which Lee says not to use with black powder not safe. reading on other forums and sites for the 55, consensus is black powder and static is myth? Is the plastic internal parts of the Lee ppm the problem? Not accurate for BP or won't flow it? Is the Orange 55 OK to use for BP as is or needing a different calibration setting for drops.
Prices are good for one on the bay so if I should get one to use in place of the Lee is good thing to do?
There is also a B & M on ebay for a good price in the box would it be a better choice?

Jim
 
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The Black Powder Variant of the 55 has some internal parts that are brass and it is easier to disassemble for cleaning. The residue of Black Powder and some of the substitutes is very water absorbent and will draw water right out of what you thought was dry air!

I used a Hornady smokeless powder drop for one of the subs and didn't take it apart for three days. It was totally corroded so an otherwise good measure in the trash.

I like the Orange 55, if the price is right I would buy it as a smokeless measure. It is easy for me to spend other peoples money but DO NOT USE A SMOKELESS MEASURE FOR BLACK POWDER. An affordable substitute is a muzzle loader measure, but make your adjustments by actual weight not by volume. I don't use the flaky two piece drop tube that came with the 55 BP, but I use a 2 foot long brass drop tube from Shiloh Sharpes to fill my 45-70 and 45-90 cases. It will settle/compress a 65 grain charge by a half inch or a little more, the key is a consistent slow pour (I count to 4 or 5) not a dump. The tube has a funnel at the top, pour a little off center too.

Hints:
Be sure to include a lube cookie or Ox-yoke wad over the powder. Most loading instructions omit this, but it is necessary to keep the fouling soft for accuracy (or swap the barrel after every shot). If using the "cookie" you will need an over the powder card.

Different sizes (FFg FFFg ect) and different brands of black powder will be more consistent with different primers, some prefer large rifle and some prefer large pistol. There is only one way to fine out, keep notes!

A good condition rifle with good black powder ammo will be capable of groups as small as 1.5" at 100 yards. If you get 4" groups you won't win many prizes, but you can ruin a ground hog's day out to 200 maybe 250 yards. (you guys out west have Rock Chucks, they are 2/3 the size) Remember: if you learn something, no shot is ever wasted!

Ivan
 
The Black Powder Variant of the 55 has some internal parts that are brass and it is easier to disassemble for cleaning. The residue of Black Powder and some of the substitutes is very water absorbent and will draw water right out of what you thought was dry air!

I used a Hornady smokeless powder drop for one of the subs and didn't take it apart for three days. It was totally corroded so an otherwise good measure in the trash.

I like the Orange 55, if the price is right I would buy it as a smokeless measure. It is easy for me to spend other peoples money but DO NOT USE A SMOKELESS MEASURE FOR BLACK POWDER. An affordable substitute is a muzzle loader measure, but make your adjustments by actual weight not by volume. I don't use the flaky two piece drop tube that came with the 55 BP, but I use a 2 foot long brass drop tube from Shiloh Sharpes to fill my 45-70 and 45-90 cases. It will settle/compress a 65 grain charge by a half inch or a little more, the key is a consistent slow pour (I count to 4 or 5) not a dump. The tube has a funnel at the top, pour a little off center too.

Hints:
Be sure to include a lube cookie or Ox-yoke wad over the powder. Most loading instructions omit this, but it is necessary to keep the fouling soft for accuracy (or swap the barrel after every shot). If using the "cookie" you will need an over the powder card.

Different sizes (FFg FFFg ect) and different brands of black powder will be more consistent with different primers, some prefer large rifle and some prefer large pistol. There is only one way to fine out, keep notes!

A good condition rifle with good black powder ammo will be capable of groups as small as 1.5" at 100 yards. If you get 4" groups you won't win many prizes, but you can ruin a ground hog's day out to 200 maybe 250 yards. (you guys out west have Rock Chucks, they are 2/3 the size) Remember: if you learn something, no shot is ever wasted!

Ivan

Ivan, thanks for the reply I actually picked up the Belden & Mull of ebay for $43 in the box appears there is no instructions. It is the one with the brass hopper tube. So after I receive it will take apart and inspect and clean and then will need to figure out how to use it.
All the reloading info I have seen to date is to use the drop tube of 2 or 3 feet to fill the cases to compact and settle the powder. Do you compress the large charges with the 500 bullit?
I am going to follow the advice in Pat Wolfs book on loading for the 45-70 I have the special Lee hollow base 405gr bullit mold still have to get the correct 500gr one for 45-70 gov. original profile.
I have read about using the grease cookie on other sites will it fit in a full 70gr charge or better to use 65gr?
Also here in Ca. cannot buy black powder anywhere have to have shipped in so only subs avaliable, Pyrodex, triple 7, or 209. Your advise on best to use or bite the bullit and ship BP in?:mad:

Jim
 
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