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Hornady .44 mag. 225gr. FTX
I got some blemished 225gr FTX Leverevolution at Midway a while back and I was looking for some loading data. My Hornady book precedes this bullet.
Hodgdon lists one load for the FTX: 296/110, 19.4 - 21.5 gr.
But for the 225 gr. SPR JHP there are multiple loads that are lower velocity and pressure.
Could I use the SPR JHP data? The COL is different: 1.575 for the SPR JHP and 1.665 for the FTX.
I bought them for range and plinking and was looking for a 1000 - 1100 fps load in a revolver.
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08-28-2016, 05:56 PM
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H110/W296 are not suired for 1000FPS loads.These powders must not be downloaded below minimum recommended load.You might get failure to ignite or worse,a squib load that will lodge the bullet in the barrel with all the consequences that follow(blown gun and serious injury to you and fellow shooters standing besides you).
Unique is the one powder that comes to mind for 1000/1100FPS but there is litterally a dozen or more that can safely give such results from W231/Hp38 to 2400.I'm not too crazy about such quick burners like 700X or Bullseye(Red Dot,Titegroup and others)because with these,you are pretty near the point where pressure can reach the critical point of ''instant desintegration''.
Keep being safe and have fun.
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Thanks for your response. The data for the 225 gr. JHP bullets includes several loads in the 1100 fps range using HS-6, Universal, and 231. Are you saying that I can use this data for the 225 gr. FTX bullets?
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Look at the Hornady website.
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Look at the Hornady website.
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I have and and have not found any reloading data. Can you point me in the right direction?
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08-28-2016, 09:21 PM
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Here is their reloading data site:
Set your sights on pistol reloading data | Hodgdon Reloading
Try Lil' Gun as a powder for the lower velocity.
You can select any powder to see the results.
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Before you blow yourself of a perfectly good gun up I've found the data for you. That particular bullet requires the case to be trimmed to a different length. Here's the data:
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Before you blow yourself of a perfectly good gun up I've found the data for you. That particular bullet requires the case to be trimmed to a different length. Here's the data:
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Ballistic147,
Thanks for that reply. I'll just get rid of these and get something more conventional. I appreciate your help.
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08-28-2016, 10:00 PM
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No problem. When I saw your post I remembered seeing those in the Hornady manual. Seemed kind of strange to design a bullet that required an odd case length. I haven't been reloading long and only used the 240gr XTP's in the 44 with 2400 powder. It'll definitely get your attention. While I do like that load a lot I'm thinking about trying a lead bullet with a lighter load just for playing around some.
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Power Pistol, BE-86, Universal, Unique, CFE Pistol, HS-6, Accurate 5 or 7, are all probably better suited to drive that relatively light 44 slug at 1000 fps than a full magnum powder. The propellants mentioned above are all medium pistol burn rate powders that will perform better at that velocity for that bullet weight than slow pistol powders like 296/110. I'm thinking appx 10gr of medium burn rate powder will better serve you in this application than 20+ grains of slow powder.
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The OP didn't say what revolver he intended to load these for.
I've never loaded these FTX before, so I don't have any first-hand data (BOAL", seating depth, etc.) but the shape of the bullet's nose makes the COAL" longer than SAAMI spec (1.610"). With a case trimmed to Hornady's suggested .020" shorter (1.255") the COAL is still 1.645"
In a rifle, or a pistol, the issue is the bullet not allowing the cartridge to be fully inserted because of the longer length. The cylinder in a 29/629 is long enough (1.700") to accomodate the bullet seated, in a standard length (1.275") case, IF it has throat diameters LARGER than the FTX bullet's diameter.
I also believe these FTX bullets have a longer bearing surface & have a deeper seating depth, than a standard 225gr JHP. (Can anyone confirm these?)
If I was loading these in a revolver with: 1)- loose throats, and 2)- in standard length cases (to 1.665" COAL), the listed Hornady FTX data would provide a little less velocity (& pressure) because of the extra capacity (1.255 vs. 1.275" = ~2% more).
The Hodgdon load data for this Hornady 225gr FTX is using standard length cases: Trim Length @ 1.280" & COAL" @ 1.665"
The OP was wanting a MV of 1000-1100. The listed Hornady FTX data provides 1100 fps MV using the W296/H110 he has on-hand.
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Thanks for your response. The data for the 225 gr. JHP bullets includes several loads in the 1100 fps range using HS-6, Universal, and 231. Are you saying that I can use this data for the 225 gr. FTX bullets?
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I had not seen the recommendation about trimming the case shorter.Because of that and since it changes the burning ratio,I'd play it safe and stay with 2400.Sorry for my oversight but safety first.If you absolutely want to try say Universal,I suggest you start at the minimum load and substract .2 or .3gr and from there work your way up.
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Im a Magnum fanatic and I havent found anything as good as Alliant 2400.
Though its hard to find right now I found some at biggunsoutdoors and had 4 lbs shipped to me. Going to try out some 300mp but the max loads seem to be compressed. Has antone else had good luck with the 300mp?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ballistic147
Before you blow yourself of a perfectly good gun up I've found the data for you. That particular bullet requires the case to be trimmed to a different length. Here's the data:
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I completely forgot about that!!! I learned this the hard way when I picked up some Hornady range brass two years ago when I first started reloading. It became apparent very quickly that factory Hornady brass for FTX ammo is noticeably shorter than standard 44 RM brass. I suspect the same for the their .357.
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Thanks for all the replies. I sold the bullets and bought some 240 gr. JHP's - much more data and no case trimming.
In terms of a pistol, I am going to shoot them in a 29-3 and Dan Wesson.
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Get a Hornady loading manual. The cases are shorter to cycle properly in
lever guns.. They load and shoot just fine with standard length cases in revolvers
l have loaded and shot hundreds out of my S&W 44 Magnum revolvers
Never a problem in standard length cases
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