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Thinking about trying Titegroup with:
.44 Remington Mag Starline Case
220gr Berry's FP Copper Coated
5.8 grains to just over 800fps hopefully.

Goals:
Clean burning
Good metering
X Punching accuracy out of a 69 4.25" @ 25'


I'm out of powder currently and will pick some more up this weekend. I've run Titegroup on 38/158/LSWC, and was happy with it in the past. My only hesitation is that my mind's eye s telling me to go with something a little slower for that heavy of a bullet, But then again, with the pressure that low maybe titegroup would be just right. Anyone use titegroup for lead, or coated, on .44 spcl or mag at spcl (Listed) grains?

My last bottle of poweder was Trail Boss. I wasn't unhappy with TB, so I could just go back with TB. I'm thinking that Titegroup would be a little cleaner.
 
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I don't have a .44 but I have used it in a .357. It meters very well in my two Dillon's. As far as cleanliness its OK.The last time I bought powder I got CFE pistol and like it better but would buy Titegroup again.
 
I have used titegroup in the 44 magnum . In fact I went as high as Hodgdon's max w/a 240 swc , if I remember correctly it was about 10 gas. I found 7.0 to be the " sweet spot " . What I don't care for is the fact that it is soooo dense that you can't hardly see any powder in the case . It's like you use a pair of tweezers , grab a couple of grains and that's the charge weight . I'm not getting into the " double charge " debate here . I just like to fill the case a little better .
I dropped titegroup from my powder line . Red Dot fills the case better and works well in the " specials " (38, 44 ) . I have started using WST and really like it best . It shoots accurate , very very clean and puts a decent charge in a case so you can actually see it . Regards, Paul
 
I'm loading 4.4gr. for .44 Special and 5.5gr. for my .44 Magnum loads both with 240gr. Keith style cast bullets. Both are fun, accurate easy shooting loads.
 

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Back when powder was short (and my stockpile low) , I found an 8# can of Tightgroup at a gun show. I find it to behave allot like Bulls Eye. It's not always my first choice but is pretty versatile. I've used it successfully in 38 SPL, 9MM and 45 ACP ( mostly with Extreme plated bullets.) Upside is that it does produce some very accurate loads.
Downside is that it burns hot, stains cases and gets smokey if used with cast lead.

I've got about 7# more experimenting to do....
 
For me the pros for tight group are cheaper than a lot of orhers,not position sensitive witch is important in the 44mag, meters very well, easy to find a accurate load, and 8 pounds should keep you shooting for at least a couple months. The downside for me is it burns hot very very hot and it is hard to see in the bigger cases and it can be used in a quite a variety of calibers. For me those are the pros and cons and of course yours will be different but I hope there was some helpful info in there. Good luck and have fun

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I like Red Dot/Promo, Bullseye, or 700X for mid-range 44 loads in mag brass. Pleasant to shoot, accurate and cleaner than TG without that sticky residue. Tight Group will work, but I prefer it more for 9mm or 40S&W.
 
Is it just me, or does TG burn cleaner at higher pressure? My impression with half a can, anyway. My go to powder for 800 fps to 950 fps in a .44 mag case with 240 swc's is Red Dot. 5.5 to 6.5 grains about covers that spread.

For what its worth, I tried a limited number of loads using the Berry's plated in a couple of .44's with known accuracy, and none shot as well as jacketed, or my usual cast bullet loads. Not bad, but not GOOD.

Larry
 
Titegroup is the most accurate pistol powder I have found to date.
 
:) Every powder on the market burns cleaner at higher pressures.

I use 5.7gr of Titegroup under a cast 240gr LSWC in .44 Mag to give me a consistent 870fps from a 7.5-inch barreled Redhawk.

PRO: meters well, easy to find on the shelf to purchase, low cost, small charge weights make the cost savings even larger but my favorite pro is that is tends to ignore cavernous empty space inside the case and it quite insensitive to powder position, so using it for light loads in big revolver cases works better than most other powders I have tried.

CONS: I'll list these line by line so they can be addressed

--there may exist no better powder to blow up a firearm with a careless double or triple charge than Titegroup. High energy, low charge weights, dense, takes up such little space, it is perhaps the finest powder on the market if your goal was blowing up firearms. So while you must be diligent with all powders, this powder specifically won't tolerate carelessness.

--Titegroup is a high nitro powder and it absolutely burns hot and in my experience, it burns hot enough that after many many trials with different bullets and charge weights, I have declared for the rest of my life that I'll never use Titegroup in .38 Special ever again... because I have grown up wrapping my left hand around the cylinder to eject brass and two cylinderfuls of Titegroup in a K-frame cylinder actually burns my left hand to the point where I don't want to handle the revolver. I have tried more times than I care to count and my final answer is simply that I don't use Titegroup in .38 Special. --HOT--

--it's either Titegroup or Power Pistol... but one or both of these will eat the plastic in my Lyman 55 hopper. Over years of use, it etches the inside of the plastic and eventually it destroys it, especially at the bottom of the hopper where it locks in to the metal unit. Obviously, much less so when you don't get in the habit of leaving the powder full for an overnight or longer... a habit to avoid generally with all powders. I believe the high nitro content of Titegroup may be the culprit? This isn't a big deal but it is relevant.

--for newer handloaders that haven't yet developed a "feel" for how to best make use of different powders, I personally believe that Titegroup (and some other powders) set a bit of a trap for the novice handloaders, a trap that is never warned by the powder manufacturers in their published load data... that trap being "Oh, here is load data for Titegroup, I have Titegroup, I'll just use Titegroup!" For a novice handloader, they see it published, they have the powder but they don't understand the reality behind what they are building. And .44 Magnum is a great example. In this particular discussion, we are talking Titegroup for very light, low/medium velocity loads, which is fine. But a novice will see full-pressure "magnum" loads and make them and figure he's got top-performing .44 Magnum when in fact he does not. What he has are loads that are top pressure, poor velocity because it is the wrong powder choice and a pressure curve that it the polar opposite of smooth and predictable. All the fury associated with a proper load but without the performance. And while the proper powder load can be developed, the Titegroup load will just lurch beyond "safe" without the warning you'll get from a proper, slow burning powder.

^So that's my biggest "con" and complaint with Titegroup. All the published data for Titegroup that is available, attempting to use it to run real magnum loads is a horrendous idea. For target velocities and reduced velocity loads in magnum chamberings, Titegroup is fantastic. For maximum loads, Titegroup is one of the worst powders on the market -- especially for novice handloaders that aren't familiar with burning rates.
 
I am not a fan in small cases much less cavernous 44mag. Many like TG I am just not one. Charge volume is too small, burns too hot, but it is accurate & cheap, but then so are several other powders with 1.5x the loft.
 
I don't try to make powders "work" for a particular application. Every gun I test gets to taste 15-20 different powders and (usually) 5 or 6 bullets. The gun always tells me which combo tastes best ... as in superb accuracy in a particular velocity range.

So far, none of my guns likes the taste of Tightgroup better than other combos.

For a downloaded 44Mag I like the Berry220FP @ 900-950 fps. The most accurate recipes in my 3" 29 and 6.5" 1957 Ruger are 10.5 grains of WW540/HS6, 9.5 grains of AA5. For better economy with only a smidgeon less accuracy, 7.0 grains Bullseye works for me.

My 540 is gone and I won't replace it; I'll be using AA5 until my Berry 220FP's are gone. Won't restock them either.
 
You won't find me loading Titeboom powder in large volume revolver brass. It has blew up more than it's share of 500 S&W revolvers with what owners swear was published data. If you don't believe me look up posts by John Ross.
 
If I remember correctly , the max charge of Titegroup in a 44 magnum using a 240 gr bullet is about 10 grs . I truly felt this was an extremely high charge of such a fast burning powder . But Hodgdon's should know more than I do so I loaded a few , using a 245 gr swc . It was , in my opinion definitely too much powder . After 2 cylinders full , the gun was hot , I mean real hot and the accuracy was poor . About all I can say good is " well they shot clean " . If I only had TG to use for target loads . I found that 7.0 grs w/a 240 gr bullet was a nice combination . Today I use WST or 700X , same charge weight of 7.0 grs / 240 gr bullet . Regards, Paul
 
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TG is too low volume for my tastes. I prefer the loss of a few rounds per pound of powder than the loss of a gun due to too much powder.
 
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