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Thinking about trying Titegroup with:
.44 Remington Mag Starline Case
220gr Berry's FP Copper Coated
5.8 grains to just over 800fps hopefully.

Goals:
Clean burning
Good metering
X Punching accuracy out of a 69 4.25" @ 25'


I'm out of powder currently and will pick some more up this weekend. I've run Titegroup on 38/158/LSWC, and was happy with it in the past. My only hesitation is that my mind's eye s telling me to go with something a little slower for that heavy of a bullet, But then again, with the pressure that low maybe titegroup would be just right. Anyone use titegroup for lead, or coated, on .44 spcl or mag at spcl (Listed) grains?

My last bottle of poweder was Trail Boss. I wasn't unhappy with TB, so I could just go back with TB. I'm thinking that Titegroup would be a little cleaner.
 
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I've used TG in my 9mm & 40 S&W with Xtreme plated bullets with very good results. Load a few and try them :-)
 
I don't have a .44 but I have used it in a .357. It meters very well in my two Dillon's. As far as cleanliness its OK.The last time I bought powder I got CFE pistol and like it better but would buy Titegroup again.
 
I have used titegroup in the 44 magnum . In fact I went as high as Hodgdon's max w/a 240 swc , if I remember correctly it was about 10 gas. I found 7.0 to be the " sweet spot " . What I don't care for is the fact that it is soooo dense that you can't hardly see any powder in the case . It's like you use a pair of tweezers , grab a couple of grains and that's the charge weight . I'm not getting into the " double charge " debate here . I just like to fill the case a little better .
I dropped titegroup from my powder line . Red Dot fills the case better and works well in the " specials " (38, 44 ) . I have started using WST and really like it best . It shoots accurate , very very clean and puts a decent charge in a case so you can actually see it . Regards, Paul
 
Back when powder was short (and my stockpile low) , I found an 8# can of Tightgroup at a gun show. I find it to behave allot like Bulls Eye. It's not always my first choice but is pretty versatile. I've used it successfully in 38 SPL, 9MM and 45 ACP ( mostly with Extreme plated bullets.) Upside is that it does produce some very accurate loads.
Downside is that it burns hot, stains cases and gets smokey if used with cast lead.

I've got about 7# more experimenting to do....
 
For me the pros for tight group are cheaper than a lot of orhers,not position sensitive witch is important in the 44mag, meters very well, easy to find a accurate load, and 8 pounds should keep you shooting for at least a couple months. The downside for me is it burns hot very very hot and it is hard to see in the bigger cases and it can be used in a quite a variety of calibers. For me those are the pros and cons and of course yours will be different but I hope there was some helpful info in there. Good luck and have fun

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I like Red Dot/Promo, Bullseye, or 700X for mid-range 44 loads in mag brass. Pleasant to shoot, accurate and cleaner than TG without that sticky residue. Tight Group will work, but I prefer it more for 9mm or 40S&W.
 
Is it just me, or does TG burn cleaner at higher pressure? My impression with half a can, anyway. My go to powder for 800 fps to 950 fps in a .44 mag case with 240 swc's is Red Dot. 5.5 to 6.5 grains about covers that spread.

For what its worth, I tried a limited number of loads using the Berry's plated in a couple of .44's with known accuracy, and none shot as well as jacketed, or my usual cast bullet loads. Not bad, but not GOOD.

Larry
 
Titegroup is the most accurate pistol powder I have found to date.
 
:) Every powder on the market burns cleaner at higher pressures.

I use 5.7gr of Titegroup under a cast 240gr LSWC in .44 Mag to give me a consistent 870fps from a 7.5-inch barreled Redhawk.

PRO: meters well, easy to find on the shelf to purchase, low cost, small charge weights make the cost savings even larger but my favorite pro is that is tends to ignore cavernous empty space inside the case and it quite insensitive to powder position, so using it for light loads in big revolver cases works better than most other powders I have tried.

CONS: I'll list these line by line so they can be addressed

--there may exist no better powder to blow up a firearm with a careless double or triple charge than Titegroup. High energy, low charge weights, dense, takes up such little space, it is perhaps the finest powder on the market if your goal was blowing up firearms. So while you must be diligent with all powders, this powder specifically won't tolerate carelessness.

--Titegroup is a high nitro powder and it absolutely burns hot and in my experience, it burns hot enough that after many many trials with different bullets and charge weights, I have declared for the rest of my life that I'll never use Titegroup in .38 Special ever again... because I have grown up wrapping my left hand around the cylinder to eject brass and two cylinderfuls of Titegroup in a K-frame cylinder actually burns my left hand to the point where I don't want to handle the revolver. I have tried more times than I care to count and my final answer is simply that I don't use Titegroup in .38 Special. --HOT--

--it's either Titegroup or Power Pistol... but one or both of these will eat the plastic in my Lyman 55 hopper. Over years of use, it etches the inside of the plastic and eventually it destroys it, especially at the bottom of the hopper where it locks in to the metal unit. Obviously, much less so when you don't get in the habit of leaving the powder full for an overnight or longer... a habit to avoid generally with all powders. I believe the high nitro content of Titegroup may be the culprit? This isn't a big deal but it is relevant.

--for newer handloaders that haven't yet developed a "feel" for how to best make use of different powders, I personally believe that Titegroup (and some other powders) set a bit of a trap for the novice handloaders, a trap that is never warned by the powder manufacturers in their published load data... that trap being "Oh, here is load data for Titegroup, I have Titegroup, I'll just use Titegroup!" For a novice handloader, they see it published, they have the powder but they don't understand the reality behind what they are building. And .44 Magnum is a great example. In this particular discussion, we are talking Titegroup for very light, low/medium velocity loads, which is fine. But a novice will see full-pressure "magnum" loads and make them and figure he's got top-performing .44 Magnum when in fact he does not. What he has are loads that are top pressure, poor velocity because it is the wrong powder choice and a pressure curve that it the polar opposite of smooth and predictable. All the fury associated with a proper load but without the performance. And while the proper powder load can be developed, the Titegroup load will just lurch beyond "safe" without the warning you'll get from a proper, slow burning powder.

^So that's my biggest "con" and complaint with Titegroup. All the published data for Titegroup that is available, attempting to use it to run real magnum loads is a horrendous idea. For target velocities and reduced velocity loads in magnum chamberings, Titegroup is fantastic. For maximum loads, Titegroup is one of the worst powders on the market -- especially for novice handloaders that aren't familiar with burning rates.
 
I am not a fan in small cases much less cavernous 44mag. Many like TG I am just not one. Charge volume is too small, burns too hot, but it is accurate & cheap, but then so are several other powders with 1.5x the loft.
 
I don't try to make powders "work" for a particular application. Every gun I test gets to taste 15-20 different powders and (usually) 5 or 6 bullets. The gun always tells me which combo tastes best ... as in superb accuracy in a particular velocity range.

So far, none of my guns likes the taste of Tightgroup better than other combos.

For a downloaded 44Mag I like the Berry220FP @ 900-950 fps. The most accurate recipes in my 3" 29 and 6.5" 1957 Ruger are 10.5 grains of WW540/HS6, 9.5 grains of AA5. For better economy with only a smidgeon less accuracy, 7.0 grains Bullseye works for me.

My 540 is gone and I won't replace it; I'll be using AA5 until my Berry 220FP's are gone. Won't restock them either.
 
You won't find me loading Titeboom powder in large volume revolver brass. It has blew up more than it's share of 500 S&W revolvers with what owners swear was published data. If you don't believe me look up posts by John Ross.
 
If I remember correctly , the max charge of Titegroup in a 44 magnum using a 240 gr bullet is about 10 grs . I truly felt this was an extremely high charge of such a fast burning powder . But Hodgdon's should know more than I do so I loaded a few , using a 245 gr swc . It was , in my opinion definitely too much powder . After 2 cylinders full , the gun was hot , I mean real hot and the accuracy was poor . About all I can say good is " well they shot clean " . If I only had TG to use for target loads . I found that 7.0 grs w/a 240 gr bullet was a nice combination . Today I use WST or 700X , same charge weight of 7.0 grs / 240 gr bullet . Regards, Paul
 
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TG is too low volume for my tastes. I prefer the loss of a few rounds per pound of powder than the loss of a gun due to too much powder.
 
I've been loading with Titegroup for over 10 years. I have to agree with everything Sevens posted about Titegroup. However I do use it in .38 Special loads but I guess I don't shoot fast enough for the heat to be an issue but I can see how it could be. Yes it is unsettling at times to look in a .45 Colt case and see 5.5gr. of Titegroup leaving about 90% of the case empty but the accuracy is excellent and the same care should be taken no matter the powder being used.
 
For those that use Tite group, here is a little test.

In a 44 Mag case put 5 grains of in each of 10 cases

Put 6 grains in one case marked ion the bottom - have someone else tell which case has been over filled by 1 grain.

My experience is no one get it right.

Now deside if you think you can safely determine an overload.


Be safe
Ruggy
 
Try Accurate No. 5
7.5 - 7.8 grains will give you around 900 fps.

700x
5 - 5.2 grains. 825 - 850 fps.

HS-6
7.5 - 8.5 grains 825 - 925 fps.

231, HP-38
5 - 5.7 grains 800 - 850 fps.

Here are a few options other than Titegroup. I'm not a fan for all the reasons already posted.
 
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If you cannot follow the plainly written instructions regarding maximum charges or are easily distracted then titegroup may not be the powder for you. Also you should probably not buy a car capable of exceeding the speed limit. Titegroup will not try to trick you into double charging. Just follow the recommended charge weights in your manual and everything will be fine. As was pointed out however Titegroup is not the best choice for true magnum loads. I have run max loads for years in 9mm, 40S&W, and .45acp. In .357 magnum it works well but if I'm going for a true "magnum" load there are better powders. Still, Titegroup is my go to for probably 90% of my shooting needs.
 
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If you cannot follow the plainly written instructions regarding maximum charges or are easily distracted then titegroup may not be the powder for you. Also you should probably not buy a car capable of exceeding the speed limit. Titegroup will not try to trick you into double charging. Just follow the recommended charge weights in your manual and everything will be fine. As was pointed out however Titegroup is not the best choice for true magnum loads. I have run max loads for years in 9mm, 40S&W, and .45acp. In .357 magnum it works well but if I'm going for a true "magnum" load there are better powders. Still, Titegroup is my go to for probably 90% of my shooting needs.
While TG doesn't "trick you" it does not lend itself to easily verify charge wts. Not unlike BE back in its day, it KB a lot of guns because it is just hard to tell if it is 5gr or 10gr in a cavernous case. It is very consistent though & cheap & that is why so many love it. I also do not find it all that accurate with lead bullets either so just another reason I avoid it.
 
I loaded one pound of Titegroup powder. Darn near melted the bottom of the powder reservoir plastic tube...No I didn't take the powder out but it was only over the course of 3 days. I also thought the powder burned much too hot. A couple of cylinders and wow. Seems to me to be the same problem every one complains of with L'il Gun...except there is much less powder per load. I decided to use older much bulkier powder. Even though I think I can be safe with it...it doesn't make me feel all fuzzy and happy like other(older, like me) powders... And to top it all off.... I have bunches of almost free Red Dot Green Dot 700X HS-5, 6 and 7 Al-5,7,9 and other powders. I think I should use them up first. I doubt I can use them all up in my lifetime as it is
 
What kind of plastic is your reservoir made of. I routinely leave it in my lee powder measure and after a while the plastic gets a little cloudy but after years it has never gone any further than that.
 
Years ago I had a 45 with a ported barrel and I thought I'd try me a pound of Titeboom. It didn't take long for the lead from the cast lead bullets to nearly plug up the port holes. I've always read that Titeboom burns hot, and I believe it.
 
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