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Con's to Powder Coating?
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I tried coated in my 9mm with .356,.357 & .358 dia. and was not
impressed enough to but any more, or try them in my .38 special.
I still have a LOT of lead to get rid of before getting any coated for my revolvers
plus I am happy with the lead accuracy and clean up.....
they make bore snakes now.
Don't do lead in my rifles.
impressed enough to but any more, or try them in my .38 special.
I still have a LOT of lead to get rid of before getting any coated for my revolvers
plus I am happy with the lead accuracy and clean up.....
they make bore snakes now.
Don't do lead in my rifles.
fredj338
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IF you are getting leading with any lead bullet, something is wrong. Your lube is failing, your bullets are too small or too soft for the pressures generated or your barrel is rough. I rarely clean before 1000rds in my pistols & the barrels require almost nothing to clean up. Also far less crud in the operating system. I have had to dental pick conventional lubed crud out of recesses in my guns in the past, not likely to go back to that.
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Agreed, with minor exceptions regarding handgun loads. Can't see how a powder coated bullet could be any more accurate than a properly fitted cast bullet that has been sized and lubricated in a conventional manner. All guns get dirty from firing regardless of the bullet used and require cleaning; cleanup is cleanup whether it's real dirty or a "little" dirty. Time and effort are the same, unless there is leading. Leading can and should be prevented but some don't want to spend the time to learn how to do things right.
I know little about indoor shooting and the attendant problems that go with it like fumes and smoke. Sounds like powder coated bullets might offer an advantage here, be it small or significant.
As for rifles, it appears there may be advantages using powder coated bullets to make a bullet with an undersized nose shoot accurately. Being able to use a soft bullet at high velocity with good accuracy and freedom from leading is also worth exploring.
I have no experience with the powder coating process. However, from what little I think I know about it, I see powder coating as a very specialized cast bullet treatment to fill specific niches, not a general purpose catch-all process to shortcut the learning process and save a few dollars on buying the right equipment.
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Not trying to persuade you but it isn't really anything specialized about the coating process, wither PC or HT. Not even sure what right equip means but coated bullets are just another choice like plated or jacketed. They have a purpose, which is to reduce smoke & crud, & if done at home, cost. A worthwhile thing if you shoot indoors or competition where you would like to see the next target & certainly in night shooting. Go touch off a conventional lubed bullet at night with a flashlight, you wont do it more than one or two rds before you see the folly of it.
Its just a diff way to do things, like Alox tumble lubed or heated Star sizer. I find coated bullets far more forgiving than plated. So I tend to use coated for most applications but my ccw ammo which is factory JHP. Yep it adds a bit of time but the trade off works for many of us & the time goes down as you figure out the process & best way to do it. I tumble coat, use a jig to stand them up, 13-14m per 150. Not a huge time suck. Sizing is the same, maybe a little faster than using a Star, way faster than using a lyman style sizer. There is no shortcutting anything either. Bullets till need to be properly sized & alloy is still important, just less so.
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I don't cast for lack of time. I do shoot a lot of cast bullets bought commercially and to me the HyTek Coated bullets are one of the greatest bargains I've found. The difference in raw lead and coated isn't that much so I wouldn't call it a real con. The 2 biggest advantages are the coated lead shoot much cleaner and you can load them as hot as jacketed without any leading problems
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Hy tec is a polymer coating, PC coatings are really paint, which contains silica, which is sand. A MSDS sheet can be your friend. Whats next, spray painting bullets cause its cheap. Anyone realize what Jerry Mickalet shoots or that his brother is the founder of Hy tec in the US?
Look up the definition of the word POLYMER then compare it to what you just posted. Hint. It AIN'T paint. It AIN'T silica neither. FWIW, not all paints contain silica either. Some may, but it certainly isn't a required or universal ingredient.
Can you post a link to an MSDS for powder coating that lists silica please. Because I'm not having any luck finding one.
Odd???
I thought the pc I use is actually a polyester based product. At least that's what the mfg says. But heck what do they know.
It isn't that a pc bullet is "more" accurate then a traditionally cast/lubed/sized bullets. The reality of it is that it's easier to find accurate loads with pc'd bullets. The same mechanics apply to making an accurate load with either bullet.
Yes, be sure we are talking about the same thing here........
Hi Tek are polymer coated and I use them almost exclusively. The 'electrical' smell is slightly wrong but that's the only problem.
Lead/lubed bullets are VERY smoky in indoor ranges.
I had one bad experience with PCd bullets early in the game and never tried them again. So lumpy they caused problems with chambering. I'm sure that was a fluke but with Hi Tek I never went back.
Legitimate question - has anybody compared accuracy of PCd vs lead/lube vs Hi tek bullets?
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Hi Tek are polymer coated and I use them almost exclusively. The 'electrical' smell is slightly wrong but that's the only problem.
Lead/lubed bullets are VERY smoky in indoor ranges.
I had one bad experience with PCd bullets early in the game and never tried them again. So lumpy they caused problems with chambering. I'm sure that was a fluke but with Hi Tek I never went back.
Legitimate question - has anybody compared accuracy of PCd vs lead/lube vs Hi tek bullets?
jim28080
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If you use good quality powder such as Eastwood instead of cheap junk, you will never harm a barrel. I've put thousands of rounds of powder coated bullets downrange and my bores are like new. You will do more damage to a barrel cleaning it than shooting quality powdercoated bullets.
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I shoot commercially bought HyTek because I don't cast my own. I was shooting commercial uncoated lead but had leading due to size, hardness, lube, voodoo, and what else. I don't have leading with the coated. It was that simple for me.
I have a young family and a project car that eat up a LOT of my time so I simply don't have the time to cast. The coated loads work fine in all of my guns at all different speeds so I'm good with that simplicity in my life right now. I also switched to progressive loading to save my shoulder and time so I know Fred will be proud.
I have a young family and a project car that eat up a LOT of my time so I simply don't have the time to cast. The coated loads work fine in all of my guns at all different speeds so I'm good with that simplicity in my life right now. I also switched to progressive loading to save my shoulder and time so I know Fred will be proud.
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I don't know how to post article, but here is the link to it
SILICA IN POWDER COATING - Powder Coating Planet
SILICA IN POWDER COATING - Powder Coating Planet
fredj338
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I think this would be more of an issue during application, ie spraying. Like most things, we shouldn't inhale stuff into our lungs. During shooting, not sure what the cured silica does. People think vaping is 100% safe too, but reality, nothing you breath into your lungs but pure oxygen is good for your lungs.
WOW!!! WHAT A GREAT LIKK!!!
To bad you can't read the part where it say "SILICA USE TO KEEP THE PIGMENT FROM SETTILING TO THE BOTTOM OF THE CONTAINER"
What that has to do with a dry product like polyester sheets that are colored/dried/hard and then ground into powder is beyond me.
But this kind of post are to be expected on the internet.
Instead of meaningless posts why don't you explain how a sheet of colored polyester can be ground into particles (you know like a solid plastic object sanded into powder) need silica to keep the pigment from settling anywhere????
Yeah, if you read the whole article it becomes obvious that it is written by an individual whose native language is something other than English, and they are ADVOCATING the addition of silica to powdercoating for some specific applications, NOT stating that all powdercoating includes silica.
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bluetopper
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Me and my shooting buddy like to benchrest shoot at 25yds and coated bullets, from our experience, don't group near as well as a nice hand cast conventional lubed bullet.
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AJ
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What are you benchrest shooting at 25 yards?
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