I have 95 gr., 115 gr., 125 gr. and 147 gr. slugs galore. I have about 20 pounds of Bullseye. Looking to make economical paper punching reloads for my S&W 39 and Beretta 92F. No need for defense loads of any kind, have enough of those. Just was loads with only Bullseye powder. Looking to get the most rounds per pound that I can for each weight slug and be fairly accurate. TIA

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92 9mm 5" with Bullsey;

115 Xtreme ball.......... 3.8~ at 1.14" oal.

124 Xtreme ball........... 3.8~ at 1.14"oal. (993 fps) most accurate.

147 Berry RN.............. 3.5~ at 1.13" oal.

Make sure there is a hole in your target, with these light loads... !!

You can download the Alliant Powder 2021 Reloaders Guide here:

Alliant Powder - Reloader's Guide

George

For a half-penny's worth of extra powder I've never seen the attraction of risking a squib in an automatic... Or in a revolver, for that matter.

i.e., with 7,000 gr. / lb. @ $35.00 per lb. especially with BULLSEYE!

Cheers!

Bullseye can be used in the 9x19, just don't look for top velocity from Bullseye. Bullseye is a fast burning powder and will hit maximum safe pressure at velocities that are short of what is safe with medium burning rate powders.

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Norman,

I do not go below loads that are listed in any loading manual. I have 10 different loading manuals and use them. I never go below or above the recommended loadings. I also have a computer program called "Quickload", I use that when I decide on a load to try. It gives me the FPS and chamber pressure for that particular load. I do not desire a squib or an overcharge when I load. Have been doing this for 48 years and so far have been safe with my methods. I look for the most accurate loads that I can find for my firearms. I do not worry about a paltry few cents, just try for accuracy.

AJ

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I agree with Nevada Ed on the 124 grain. I haven't tried the others. Your right arm is going to be twice the size of the left before you get 20 pounds of Bullseye loaded at 3.5 grains per pull.

That guide is Great and Thanks for the link but I have a question: the chart shows the Maximum charge weight bit not the Minimum? Why not and also, How would the minimum be figured out??

It is a on-line reference. Some are very good and some leave something to be desired. I will refer to it, but books are my friend and and have been for years. I have 10 reloading manuals on hand, the oldest has it's first copyright date in the 30's and last in 53, it was my Father's.

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Lots of free handloading information from reputable sources are online, but what's available is often not complete. Paper manuals remain the best source even if you have to pay for them.

For a fast burning powder Bullseye does pretty well.
In a 5" 9mm it can hold it's own.
115gr FMJ
Bullseye..... 1218
w231 ........ 1198
Green Dot .. 1257 (NATO)

124 FMJ
Bullseye ...... 1155
w231 .......... 1153
Green Dot ....1198 (NATO)

It is always nice to have the bullet LEAVE the barrel when it is fired.
I have found that 950fps is usually safe in my 9mm pistols.

I have had a 124 Xtreme fmj in my C9 3.5" with one powder do...701fps
and have a 147 Speer TMJ with CFE-p do 725 fps....
but they did reach the paper target.

Cheers.

My Lyman 49th (50th is out in the shop) has loads for 9 different 9mm bullets from 90 gr JHP to cast 147 gr RNFP, starting on page 340. All listings include Bullseye.

(Does anyone read their reloading manuals anymore?)

I have manuals, was just what others were using. Figured someone might have a load that I have not tried.

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There LOTS of loads that I have not tried.

Just don't want to buy the new powders at this time.

Ed: Please don't think my reference was directed towards the safety of your load data, which directly referred to a part of the OP's original inquiries. I know your recommendations are solid and based upon actual load development.

It was more directed towards the "most rounds per pound" comment.

Cheers!

Norman,

With the cost and lack of availability of components, I would like to stretch what I have to go as long as I can to keep shooting at least twice every week. Who knows how long this craziness is going to last?

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Wasn't looking for top velocities. Just punching paper, it will go through the paper just as well at 750 FPS as it does at 1100 FPS, just not as fast.

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For those that do not have it. Read this: QuickLOAD - Wikipedia.

I think it is a great program. Most of the friends that I have that reload use it.

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AJ: Unless it was a typo, your 20 lbs. of BULLSEYE @ 3.5 gr. is approximately good for 40,000 rounds...

Now, if you happen to have 40K primers sitting around... Don't let anybody know!

Cheers!

P.S. Nothing wrong with getting your money's worth...

Not a typo. And could...........

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I have a hard and fast rule I follow and recommend to newer reloaders; My Rule #1, I pay very little (no) attention to any load data I read on any forum or pet loads website, or hear from any gun counter clerk, range rat, good intended friend or gun shop guru. Ninety-eight percent on my load data comes from published reloading manuals and a few from powder manufacture web sites. Part of reloading is doing load work ups and finding the best load for me and my guns...

Just a heads up on using the least amount of Bullseye that you have to............

In the 9mm with a 115 or 124 plated FMJ type bullet I have used a OAL of 1.09" and a Berry 124 THP at 1.075" as my minimum lengths.

A longer OAL will reduce your FPS, but it depends if this short oal will work in your weapon.
Some manuals and data call for even shorter OAL but I have not tried those yet, since the 1.09" gave me poor accuracy in my 5" pistol.

So far, the minimum amount of Bullseye powder that I have used in my 9mm is
3.4 grs with the Berry 147 gr round nose plated bullet, set at 1.13" OAL.
Do to the 9mm case taper and design, set this bullet deeper, at your own risk, due to pressures that will build up.

If you are testing loads out with a set of head muffs on..........
and you can finally hear the side working, you might be near your minimum load !!

Have fun.

I have been loading by the books since I started in 1973. Have been keeping records since Jun. 21, 1975. I like to see once in a while what other folks are doing. I use Quickload to verify chamber pressures and velocity. I have a chronograph, and have used it a time or two. Pain in the butt to set up. Pay attention sometimes, some of the others may have a load that works well.

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Ed,

Thanks for the info.

AJ

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I pounded put my first handload in 1969 with a Lee Loader and since I didn't know any reloaders I used the data sheet with the kit. I soon learned from hanging out at the range and gun shops, reloaders/shooters, just like fishermen, sometimes stretch the truth a bit (groups get smaller loads get hotter). I reloaded with published data until '80 (sold all my reloading stuff because of a messy divorce) and restarted in '87. I have had one squib, and no Kabooms, ever, using published data even though I've seen "promising" data in a forum. But I've also seen some wild "over the top" data suggested on forums going unchallenged for days, so I'll keep using my Rule #1 (and I'm concerned with my shooting my guns and really don't give much thought to what others' or their guns like)...

Not bragging or wanting to be a "Reloading Expert", just sharing my experience...

A friend that I bought a Colt Trooper .357 from gave me a Lyman 310 Tool and a few minutes instruction. That is how I started. The first time I saw a Lee Loader , a friend of mine had it. He set off a couple of primers with it. I gave him my 310 Tool and threw his Lee Loader in the trash. I figured if it set off a primer that easy it was not worth having. I still have some 310 Tools with dies in the tool box for emergencies. I used data from a Phillip Sharpe loading manual that was originally published in the 1930's and up dated in the 40' & 50's (had been my Father's), I now have 10 manuals and a computer program.

I only ask what others are doing to see if there is something that interests me. Worked to hard to get what I have to blow anything up by being careless.

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I used data from a Phillip Sharpe loading manual that was originally published in the 1930's and up dated in the 40' & 50's (had been my Father's), I now have 10 manuals and a computer program.

Holly cow !!

I was just a twinkel in my dad's eyes back then.

You've come a long way, young man.

congratulatons.

Thanks, I still have the manual and use it from time to time. Last time was six months ago for .38 Colt ACP.

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As for blowing up my 9mm test pistol......

I havethe cheap C9 3.5" that was tested HARD on the "Net" by to guys and
it took a lot of over charged loads and kept shaking them off.
the pistol finally pi$$ed the two guys off so much that they went to see what it would take to blow it up.

A double charge of fast powder and a large carriage bolt was hammered down the barrel...........
then placed in a vice with a loooong section of heavy twine tied to the trigger, and pulled.

Well, they did manage to bulge the barrel in one spot !!

Some pistols are made a little better than others.

Have fun and use printed data, from two or more places, if possible.

I started with a Lee Loader and worked up to about 12 of them. Then, the caliber i had just added was not available, so I bought a set of dies and a press. Eventually, replaced all the Lee loaders with dies.

Nevertheless, I loaded literally thousands of rounds with a rubber hammer and a Lee Loader. If someone popped a few primers with one, maybe he needed to read the instructions before proceeding. Also, I would be hesitant to be around when he used any other type of equipment as well.

I started with the LEE Loader in 38 special . Loaded thousands of rounds and was happy . When I added a new caliber I got the appropriate LEE Loader kit . I did that for several years . Even after I bought a press , it laid in the box for months before I finally started using it . I was just so comfortable with the LEE Loader kits it was hard to change . Regards Paul

I am glad you folks had good experiences with the Lee Loaders. After I gave a Lyman 310 Tool to my friend he had no more primers going off. Gave me peace of mind.

AJ

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Only us old timers ...
Gary

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The formula i use for 115gr extreme copper plated bullets is 3.9 starting and 4.3 max have enough to shoot for a while
Have to go down in the basement to get the specs for the bullseye

I guess I fall into the old guy category, I prefer printed reloading manuals over a page on a glowing screen.

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