Hornady 124gr 0.354" HAP bullets

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Greetings!

I acquired 2 bulk boxes of what MidwayUSA claims are Hornaday 124gr 0.354" HAP bullets, even though Hornaday claims that they never sold any in 0.354".

From those that reload here, does anyone have experience with these bullets? Hornaday recommended using their XTP load data for the 0.355" version of the HAP bullet.

As always, thanks in advance for your help!
 
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Have you measured the actual diameter? That would be the first step, I think.

I'm betting Hornaday is correct, but your calipers will settle the issue.
 
If there's no label on the box, it's possible they were actually made by Hornady, rejected for sale and sold as scrap. Whoever bought them as scrap may have turned around and sold them as components. BTW, if you've got a micrometer, you might try measuring the bullets with them rather than a caliper and see what you get.

Load some up and give them a try.
 
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That Dia is probably a misprint or incorrect data, since

Hornady list it's 125 gr HAP at a dia. of .356"
The 124 gr bullets are listed at a dia. of .355".

A great target bullet that can be pushed if needed and that shoots well in many pistols.
 
I have shot about 1/2 of the 1K 115gr HAPs I bought from Midway years ago... Hornady suggests the same load data for XTP & HAP. The actual difference may just be just the serrations for the more S/D oriented XTP vs. the target oriented HAP...?

They work in 357 SIG as well.

Cheers!

P.S. Would not be the 1st time Midway had a misprint. If they were sold as HAPs and not as 2nds, they should be as described by the manufacturer, IMHO. Most calipers are + or - at LEAST 0.001".
 
If you look at the data on the Hodgdon load data site you will see the charges for Hodgdon and Winchester powders are quite a bit lower for the 125gr HAP bullets than the 124gr XTP bullets. (sometimes by a full grain) Be careful which data you use.
 
Back in the day, the 22 Hornet had a .223 bore. Speer used to sell .223 bullets. Those "undersized" bullets shot very, very well out of my Savage Model 340 22 Hornet with a .224 bore.

'choot 'em and see what your gun thinks about them.
 
I saw that they called out a OAL of 1.16 for the little 115 HAP

a OAL of 1.069" for the 125 HAP
and a OAL of 1.060 for their 124 XTP bullet.

What shocked me was the starting loads for the 125 HAP !!
Has anyone loaded this low with this bullet with good results and no "Squibs" out of a 5" barrel ?
 
I have shot about 1/2 of the 1K 115gr HAPs I bought from Midway years ago... Hornady suggests the same load data for XTP & HAP. The actual difference may just be just the serrations for the more S/D oriented XTP vs. the target oriented HAP...?

They work in 357 SIG as well.

Cheers!

P.S. Would not be the 1st time Midway had a misprint. If they were sold as HAPs and not as 2nds, they should be as described by the manufacturer, IMHO. Most calipers are + or - at LEAST 0.001".

Is it the 115, or the 124s, or both, that work well in .357 SIG rounds? Sort of an interesting round to reload for, with the limited options for optimal seating.
 
If you look at the data on the Hodgdon load data site you will see the charges for Hodgdon and Winchester powders are quite a bit lower for the 125gr HAP bullets than the 124gr XTP bullets. (sometimes by a full grain) Be careful which data you use.

All load data should be considered nominal load data and work up carefully to a max load.

Like anyone else when Hodgdon works up a load with a particular bullet they are using a single lot of powder. If they got significantly different results with the 125 gr HAP and 124 gr XTP I suspect they worked the loads up at different times with different lots of powder.

In contrast, when a bullet manufacturer works up loads for its bullets it is more likely to use the same lot for all of the similar bullets when it is recommending the same data for all the bullets listed. If there is a bullet in the group that has more bearing surface and more "stickiness" in the bore, it's data will be the controlling data for the max load.

In either case, the load data needs to be taken with a grain of salt as while canister grade powder is more consistent than bulk powder used by ammo makers, there is still lot to lot variation.

For example, if you look at a manual like the Hornady manual, you'll see different max charge weights for powders that are identified by Hodgdon as being identical except for the label, such as H110 / Win 296, and HP 38 / Win 231.

The thing I see that is the most alarming is when hand loaders trying to duplicate military loads find what is literally a nominal charge weight and then take that charge weight as gospel. For example they might see nominal load data claiming 41.7 grains of IMR4895 for a match load, without realizing the acceptance criteria was based on measured muzzle velocity for the lot, a lot made with a 10,000 pound lot of powder for which a specific charge weight was developed for that powder lot.

It gets even worse when they see a nominal charge weight for a bulk powder like WC846 for an M80 ball load and again take that load as word, when the WC846 specification is extremely wide, and includes a narrower spec for WC844. WC844 and WC846 are regarded as more or less being equivalents to BLC-2 and H335, yet most handloaders wouldn't think of using them interchangeably.
 
Greetings!

I acquired 2 bulk boxes of what MidwayUSA claims are Hornaday 124gr 0.354" HAP bullets, even though Hornaday claims that they never sold any in 0.354".

From those that reload here, does anyone have experience with these bullets? Hornaday recommended using their XTP load data for the 0.355" version of the HAP bullet.

As always, thanks in advance for your help!

I have shot the 115 gr HAPs and XTPs a lot - upwards of 10,000 rounds of each, and I use the same charge weight for each. They develop the same velocity and shoot to the same point of aim out to 200 yards in my Colt 6430 and MP5.
 
Is it the 115, or the 124s, or both, that work well in .357 SIG rounds? Sort of an interesting round to reload for, with the limited options for optimal seating.

I've loaded both bullet weights: the XTP/HAP bullet lends itself to 357 SIG bullet design requirements (as do MOST 9mm JHPs).
 
Hornady #10 reloading guide shows the 125gr HAP only in the 38 Super section & it's listed there as "discontinued". (I think only the 121gr HAP was discontinued?)

Hornady's website doesn't even list a 124gr HAP anymore.

I recently ordered & received my box of bulk packaged Hornady 125gr HAP bullets (#35572B) from Midway.

I haven't shot them yet but I always do a "tech check" on new orders & they measured .3557" with my micrometer & had an average weight of 124.9grs on my sampling. Their BOAL is .572".

Many bullets I shoot in my 9x19s have a similar diameter & they shoot great.

I'd use a micrometer, not a digital caliper, to verify their diameter.

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It does look like only the 115gr HAP bullets are available from Hornady but not the 125gr HAP anymore.
 

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