I was reading a post on the SASS site about a company called Outlaw Bullets. They have a 100 grain .313" bullet for the .32 caliber cartridges. It looks like a shorter Lyman 31118.

I'm going to order some after my tax refund comes in (hopefully).

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The principal .32 Caliber cartridges I load for are .32-20, .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R Magnum, .32 ACP, and infrequently .32 S&W. I have a mould for the .32 S&W but rarely use it as that cartridge is only used a few rounds a year. The .32 ACP is another matter, but I only use commercial FMJ bullets in it.

For the first three cartridges I only use two different cast bullets. The bullets I use are Lyman 3118 and 31133. Both are approximately 115 grains. Basically the 31133 is simply a gas checked 3118 as I assume you know. For all three cartridges, and several guns I have in these calibers I size all my bullets .315", which works well for all my guns. I have a Marlin classic Model 1894 in .32-20, a S&W Model 30, and several Colt and S&W revolvers in .32-20. My .32 H&Rs are a S&W 631 4" and a Ruger SP101 4"

The reason for the two bullets begins with .32-20 as original factory ammunition was loaded with bullets from 100 to 125 grains, and these two fit right in the middle and work well for all three cartridges. Unless you have a thing about wanting bullets of a specific weight I would suggest simply buying a 3118 mould and not worry about commercial cast bullets. All my bullets are lubed with Saeco Green that does a better job in every respect than any of the highly touted "boutique" brands that cost $5 and more per stick. I make my own Saeco so cost is less than $1 per stick.

Using these bullets most of my guns, including the revolvers, will shoot under 4 "/100 yards! The Ruger will do minute of pop can at that distance. It shoots like a rifle with heavy loads that run nearly 1,400 FPS! The .32 H&R can be a true Magnum, but just not with the wimpy Federal factory loadings. Most of my ammunition is loaded with Unique. Naturally the heavy .32 H&R loads are not Unique. They do not get used in the 631 either.

I thought this information might be of interest to you.

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I have the Gas Check version of 3118 and bought 500 of the 95 grain RNFP and load both in 32 S&W Long . I have 86 gr RN and 90 gr SWC molds also. There is an old 120 grain RN/GC Lyman mold, it seems to be a Jac of all trades, but doesn't do anything very well! I still have several thousand Hornady 90 gr full WC bullets. All the bearing surface of the 3118 and the lighter weight! Accurate and light recoil for target work.

You can get higher FPS from the lighter bullets but for accuracy the old 3118 is the best!

Ivan

For accuracy the RCBS 32-98SWC is very hard to beat. I have no idea if any commercial outfits sell them but it would be worth a look if you don’t want to cast your own.

I also have an old Cramer 52D mold. It makes a 95gr SWC that has a short nose with a very wide flat nose. It is very accurate at ranges up to 50 yards but accuracy seems to deteriorate out at 100. That could very well be shooter induced too. It has a large lube groove for its size. It also has a more pronounced crimp groove than the RCBS. I size all my 32 bullets .314 and lube with White Label BAC.

Cowboy loads go down to 76g and I have a box of them in .313 from Missouri Bullets. Great fun shooting from my old 32 S&W top-break pocket revolvers. Low psi and no leading are key advantages for me. I have loaded them in 32-20, but they do not have the range of the heavier/longer bullets.

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Muley Gil,
Thatbullet sounds like a near copy of the discontinued Lyman #313631. my friend beagle has one that he’s removed the GC ring from, and I love the results. I find bullets in this range work very well in my 32 S&W Longs, H&R, and 327 FM. I’ve never actually used them in 32-20 that I recall, but I’ve heard they are about the best light weight bullet for that caliber too. How about a report here when you try them?
bTW, if you’re coming to the gun show at Fishersville this weekend, I plan to have two tables about in the middle of the big room. Look for my dark green table cloths.
Froggie

I'm loading 118gr RNFP .313 Bear Creek Supply bullet for 32-20.
$39.50 for 500 at the moment. I used to cast the 3118 Lyman but gave up casting.
Also loading older 100gr JSP .310 Remington bullet for 32-20 rifle only. Bought these in bulk from Midway years ago. I don't think available any longer.

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Muley Gil,

You said "That bullet sounds like a near copy of the discontinued Lyman #313631"

Did you mean to say 311316" I have all three Lyman cast bullet books and there is no 3136anything in any of them. The 311316 is basically a 3118 with a gas check shank except the ogive is more blunt. The 311316 was at one time catalogued as 313316 as I recall. but that was many years ago!

I have been casting and shooting cast bullets for over 60 years, and even though I have used many gas checks, mostly on the Lyman 358156, I have concluded that gas checks are unnecessary on any revolver calibers. This applies regardless of how hard the bullets are driven. That was Elmer Keith's opinion about gas checks too! I still have a bunch of gas checks, but haven't put one on any revolver bullet for nearly 30 years.

At one time I did load the gas checked 311316 for my K-32. That bullet was extremely inaccurate and shot around 6" @ 25 yards! Same gun shot the 3118 into less than 4" @ 100 yards!

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Alk8944, I was the one who mentioned the 313631. It did exist in the Lyman library of moulds, but only for a very brief time. They may be found with a quick search of the Internet and one or two of the boutique mould makers have cloned them. I prefer the ones with plain bases, an improvement over the original with GC, IMHO. You may well find them worth giving a try yourself!
Froggie

**That is probably why it was never in the Handbook of Cast Bullets!

WHY??? 3118 has worked just fine for me for 63 years!

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The '631 mould was designed for and released about the same time as the 32 H&R. I've only seen mention of a few of them, but somebody (Accurate??) saw enough of a demand niche to make their own run of it. In fact, if I weren't so mould poor in the 32 caliber range, I'd probably be ordering one.

A fellow who goes by the handle "beagle" over on the forum where they can't spell (he invented the process called "beagling" to increase bullet diameter) introduced them to me. He has one of the original DC moulds he modified by eliminating the gas check groove, a change I heartily support. He also modified one cavity for hollow points. As many other folks, I usually start the 32-20 as well as the H&R and Fed Mag with heavier bullets with the 3118 being my go to, but there seems to be a trend toward lighter bullets in these cartridges, and the for these loads, the 313631 is definitely worth a look.

Froggie

Here's one of the clones I mentioned. Note that they mention that it is a copy of the Lyman 313631. See:
32 Caliber 100 Gr. SWC – 313631 LYMAN CLONE

What size Lyman top punch do you use while sizing this bullet?

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It's a #8. This is kinda the do-all top punch for 32 Lyman designs. I may have a spare if you need it. Did you find a 3118/311008 or are you going to look for something lighter? I use it for the 313631 bullets I got from beagle. Before you go off spending too much time and money looking for a mould, get in touch with me... I can help!

Will you be @ Fishersville this weekend?

Your Friendly 'Phibian

These are pretty good:

Missouri Bullet Company

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Alk8944,
I reread my posts and if it seemed as though I was disagreeing with you or casting shade on the 3118 (or its current release, the 311008) I definitely was not. I wouldn't be without at least one of these moulds... currently I have a SC and a DC. After all, if it's been used since the first 32-20s were loaded about a century and a half ago. It's gotta be good!
Froggie

Just to add to the mix, there’s another interesting, if long discontinued bullet that I would have loved to try out, the Ideal 31357. MTGianni had one he was offering for sale over on the forum where they can’t spell. It too looks like what you were looking for. Then there’s another gas check design that’s been around for a while, the 311316. If I were going to put shorter bullets in my 32-20, I might also look at the semi-semi wadcutter design, the 313445. That’s a design that has gotten both a lot of love and a lot of hate, but it’s one of the last one I’d give up.
Froggie

Won't make it to Fishersville.

I dug through my moulds and found a 3118. Need to check and see if I have a .314"-.315" sizing die. I'm sure I don't have a top punch.

Will you be coming to Winchester for the Spring National?

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You betcha! Let’s get together over some adult beverages and tell tall tales about 32s. I just found my long lost (OK 6 months, but it seemed longer) 32 S&W I frame snub. If you’d like, I can bring samples of a wide variety of 32 bullets I’ve tried and liked. Glad to see Starline is finally making 32 H&R and 327 FM brass again!
Your Phriendly ‘Phibian.

Works for me!

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