Fiocchi Large Pistol Primers – 1,500 count box | Norma USA

Norma offering 1500 Fiocchi primers for $135. I believe this is as good as it will get these days. Penny primers are gone.

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Robert
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If you have a Sportsman Warehouse in town check there . Our local one has Winchester primers for $79.90 per 1K. Take another 5% off that if you’re a veteran.

I recently bought a bunch of Federal match primers large and small pistol... prices were $95-115/1000. Of course, that's before tax/shipping/hazmat. I try to buy a bunch at a time or catch a 'free shipping'/'no hazmat' sale.

I just bought 3k Winchester LP for $70 per k. That is a good price at the new normal. It was at a LGS rather than on-line.

Things def aren’t what they used to be in the reloading game…

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I'm not what I used to be. Larry

With 9mm it's almost not worth the effort.

why do people always say 9mm hardly worth reloading.
primer 4 to 5 cents
powder 4 cents
brass range pick up free
11 cents for a good 124 gr. JHP
so for 20 cents or a little less I put together a very accurate JHP round. show me a 124 gr JHP round in brass for even close to that.

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They’re talking about if you had to buy the components at todays prices .

I just bought 5000 Ginex LRPs for $289.99 on a super sale in late November. Free shipping and hazmat included.
$58 per 1000 is the best price I've seen in a LONG time...

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Yeah, even with free brass, these days at current prices its more like
primer 7-8 cents
powder 5-6 cents
bullet 15-16 cents
So 27-30 cents per round
You can find factory ammo for that price ($13.50 - $15.00 per box).
But like you said, if you have older components purchased cheaply a few years ago, you can reload for $10 a box.

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Well it varies, and depends on what you're loading, but for me more like....

Current prices for .38 Special
primer .05 (Argentine SP @ NormaUSA)
powder .021 (3.5gr @$44/# W231)
bullet .125 (commercial cast lead)

So .196 or $9.80 / 50.

9mm would be similar but the bullets would be cheaper and the powder maybe a bit more. But for 50, still a little less.

Current pricing I buy Accurate #2 for $35/pound and I use ~4 grains which yields 1,750 rounds per pound. Summers cast polymer bullets run 8 cents and Argentine SPP through Norma run $49/1000. With range brass I’m loading 9mm for ~16 cents per round. My 38 specials run the same and 32 Long a fraction less. If you cast your own you can do it even cheaper.

As far as equipment cost I’ve loaded. North of 100,000 rounds on my Square Deal B that I bought about 45 years ago for $140. Time, I’m retired and enjoy tailoring my ammo for my guns.

1) literally EXACTLY these same folks are also offering SyA small pistol primers for $50 per thousand, free shipping.

2) “penny primers” ?! The last time I got primers for a penny at retail was 1989 and even then, that was before sales tax. And even sales tax was 4% where I lived in 1989, that would also be a wonderful savings over the 7+ percent I pay now.

Yet another silly “sky is falling” post. Hey, did ya notice gasoline isn’t $1.05 a gallon anymore?! And those scoundrels took all the lead out of the gas too!

All true, cast 38 special can be loaded for about the same price as cast 9mm.

However, you aren't going to find any commercial 38 special for anywhere near the price of 9mm. And you're not going to find jacketed HP 9mm bullets for 12.5 cents each either.

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...the fact that 4¢ primers are now 8¢ but I'm not accepting primers over 10¢. That's just giving them what they want. I'm not in a place financially where I can buy more than a few boxes of anything, so I'm going to take this opportunity to wait to see if primers don't 'normalize' and something else becomes scarce and expensive. Hopefully something I've prepared for.

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AA #2 for $35 a pound? If that includes tax, shipping, and Hazmat, I want some of that action.

Where can I get some? I've got a couple of pounds but I'd buy more if I could find it at that price.

The best price I've found on Ammoseek is $38 a pound BEFORE tax, shipping, or hazmat. Factor all that in and you have to buy 5 pounds to get below $45 a pound.

FWIW, a poly coated cast is definitely cheaper than the JHP that the OP was talking about - which is what I was also referencing.

If you can point me to some 9mm JHP for 8 cents apiece, I'll buy a bunch of those too.

Thanks

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Reloading is no longer a money saver for many popular calibers due to the high cost of components. A box of 50 rounds of 9mm practice ammo can be purchased for under $11.00 now and most could not reload with newly purchased components for that price. YES, if you have components that were purchased years ago at 1/3 the cost, it would still a money saver. If you already have thousands of primers, bullets and tons of powder - reload!

Many reload for the fun of it and yet others reload because they want certain velocities, spec's or specialties that can not be purchased in factory ammo.

In older calibers that are no longer popular anymore the cost of factory ammo can be astronomical! Not only is the cost a factor but many of the old time calibers and chambering's are all but impossible to find! That is mainly where reloading shines these days.

Originally Posted by cracker57 View Post
why do people always say 9mm hardly worth reloading.
primer 4 to 5 cents
powder 4 cents
brass range pick up free
11 cents for a good 124 gr. JHP
so for 20 cents or a little less I put together a very accurate JHP round. show me a 124 gr JHP round in brass for even close to that.

I listed today's prices.

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.16 per round today's pricing. Brass free, .05 primer, .037 powder (VV N340), .08 bullet. And we go through a lot for competition.

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I did buy a couple thousand of the Argentine primers for $50 per 1000. I will use those for 9 mm since I have a few thousand empty cases. i am not trying to say that the "sky is falling" just sharing what I believe will be the reality going forward. I doubt that primer price will stop many of us from shooting

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I'd like to know where you can get primers for 4-5 cents each, - delivered. Those are yesterday's prices. Today the least expensive primers I have seen are 8 cents each + hazmat + tax + shipping. That comes to at least 11 - 12 cents each.

12 cents for primers, 4 cents for powder and .16 to 20 cents for a bullet puts a box of 9mm at LEAST at .32 cents each or $16 per box of 50. I can buy factory ammo for under $11.00 a box delivered.

Like I said, if you enjoy reloading or bought all the component's yesteryear when they were "cheap" - yes, reloading is a money saver.

The problem I see with comparing reloading cost to cost of factory ammo for everyday shooting is that you are expending your low cost probably high quality stash and when shortages come and based on history they will you are faced with how to get supplies and ammo. Factory ammo in the most popular calibers is close to reloading cost so I’m using factory ammo now and holding my reloading supplies for the hard times.

Just got an e mail from Norma $49.00/1000 free shipping over $150 so if you buy 4000 primers they cost .049 cent each. don't remember if they charge tax or not.

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I hand load for a P38 that doesn't shoot factory nine that well. It wants a larger bullet and does much better with coated lead.

Our local Runnings store has the same product for $110. Of course its local, so there is no shipping or hazmat fee. CCI bricks are $80.

Just for laughs I looked up the link above and they are not in stock anyway.

Buying local and casting your own lead, its 8 cents + 3 cents + 3 cents = 14 cents per, or $7 / box.

OK, not factory, but BETTER because it works well in all even a P38.

Now, if you don't have access to a local store, or melting lead is not your thing, then then home brew might not be the way to go.

Same here. I’m buying 9mm in bulk and have bought a quantity of .223. Saving my primers for more expensive calibers. With primer costs and my time, it just makes sense to me.

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Winchester small pistol primers were $52/1000 this morning at my local reloading shop. Make Reloading Great Again!

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Just for laughs I looked up the link above and they are not in stock anyway.[/QUOTE]

I will sell you some cheaper than that but I don't have any right now.
PS..But when I get some in stock there be a small price increase. Larry

I’ll be satisfied if I can walk back into my local shop and pick up a brick of primers without crossing my fingers hoping they’ll be there when I pull up. At my shooting level, I’d pay $75-$80 a brick without complaining too much.

If you buy pulled or blemish 9mm bullets from American reloading you get the projectiles for 6 cents each. A while back I bought a bunch at 3cents each.

Face it gentlemen, we reload for one of two reasons and neither of them has all that much to do with the potential savings versus buying factory ammo.

Perhaps I should only speak for myself. It seems to me I reload because I like it. Turns out to be a wonderful analytical outlet and activity. Experimentation, results, tweaking or moving on. It's fun shooting stuff you cannot buy - with regard to the component mix.

The second reason to reload is it enables you to own and shoot chamberings (calibers) you might not otherwise be able to enjoy. I love the .32-20 and own several. Good luck finding never-ending supplies of a variety of loads you like at your local gun store. I also hunt Texas whitetails primarily with a .257 Roberts. Can't say there's a wide and wonderful selection of factory ammo available for my purposes. I also am wild about my .264 Win Mag rifles and you can forget about getting truly satisfactory performance out of that cartridge without rolling your own. The list goes on.

Just not sure the relative costs/savings have that much to do with why most of us are motivated to handload.

Bryan

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^^^^^100%.

It seems the major debate is always re. 9mm. As long as I can get primers, I'll roll my own. Mine work 100% in every nine I own. On a snowy Winter day, what could be better than reloading in the basement.

About those cheap Norma primers . A friend of mine bought some and he says he’s getting around 1 failure to fire per 15 round magazine.
That’s with a tried and true Glock . So OK for range fodder .

I guess you’ve never heard of RMR….

11 cents delivered to your front door.

Thigs are getting a little cloudy these days. Who is who?

As we all know, Vista Outdoors was recently acquired by a Czech company, who is also the parent of Fiocchi, which makes the primers we are talking about here. Sooooo, Fiocci and CCI are now cousins.

Norma is one of the premier manufacturers of ammo going back a century. When I first started in milsurps, Norma was the brand of choice. How Fiocchi ended up on Norma's web side is unknown to me. A cursory check did not reveal a connection.

My standard primers going back 50 years has been CCI. When Fiocchi primers first came to my local shop I was hesitant. Google reviews indicated that they were even better than CCI. I wasn't convinced.

I bought 2 sleeves of 300. Loaded several different calibers and tried them. Awesome results. On that basis I bought a bunch of bricks. They were the same price per primer. CCI was out of stock.

If I ever get a FTF I'll report back.

For small pistol the Argentine SA primers at NormaUSA are $50/1,000. If you buy $200+ you get free shipping, which when I've ordered them was free shipping and hazmat. I did pay sales tax so it was $279.57 for 5,000.

Very interesting and tku for sharing. Have you used these before?

^^^^^^200%

Lead casting is something I won't ever do again! Yes, I guess it's a cheap alternative to purchasing bullets, but getting lead poisoning is not fun - ask me how I know! The thought of casting no longer even enters my mind! Even if you wear protective clothing and do it all outside, it's too much work for me to shoot reduced price bullets. The bullets I use now are Polymer coated and do not have exposed lead - much safer and cleaner. Also, no lube is needed with coated bullets so smoke from the wax is gone when shooting.

seating the S.A. primers can be a little bit hard to get the FEEL for it. I will get a FTF about 1 in 50-75, they have all gone bang with the second firing, great way to practice ones FTF drill, slap, rack and roll, back in the game. Beats dummy rounds as one never knows when you will get one and you just load them in the next mag.
one needs to know where the deals are, watch for sales and stack deep when you find a price you are willing to pay.
I also use the fisherman mindset, hate to say it here but I don't tell people where the fish are biting and I don't tell where the deals are on the WWW, sorry.

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I save money on reloading, even a couple of bucks (probably much more) on 9mm and a lot more on .45 ACP. I've been reloading for a very, very long time and have accumulated more than all the necessary equipment and free brass over the decades. Since I shoot between 150-200 rounds of centerfire pistol (9mm and .45 ACP) nearly every week, I save quite a bit of money, but I also have personal satisfaction that I'm shooting quality ammo that I made myself. Having said that, I'm long retired and reloading is a good pastime between shooting sessions. Reloading isn't for everyone, but saying that 9mm isn't worth reloading, like most things, isn't a blanket true statement for everyone. Just like the blanket statements people make for not shooting beyond very close distances with a handgun. Sometimes those statements are merely attempts for some people to be lazy.

It was a couple of years ago - was at Cabelas closely examining the Ammo.
Another Dude comes up and starts looking.
I ask him what Caliber he’s looking for.
He replies 25-35. Say what?
He getting a Custom Rifle built in 25-35.
I’m thinking, I don’t recall seeing that round when you could find everything !
I recall seeing a few Lever Guns chambered for it, but it’s not a round that I ever saw a lot or heard that much about.
I told him you need to look online. And if you find some, buy a bunch!
And consider Reloading!
I never did ask him what is this new Custom 25-35 ?
Different Strokes for Different Folks!

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When I first started casting I was hesitant. Lee funded a study to analyze air quality around a casting setup. They sent me a reprint for free. The test data and protocol interested me because one of the departments in my Engineering Group did that very thing in our company factories. Based on those results I went ahead.

My casting is done in the basement with no ventilation. I also shoot weekly at an indoor range. The ventilation system has now been upgraded to meet standards, but it wasn't always perfect.

Anywhoot, been shooting indoors for 53 years, and casting for 50. Two years ago I got to thinking about this very subject, so I had my doctor add a lead screening in my yearly physical. My body's lead contact was not detectable.

Lots of ways to get lead poisoning, but I'm confident that casting has not done it to me.

Just picked up a couple bricks of primers at the local gun store.
CCI small pistol : $74.00
CCI large pistol : $76.00
And no sales tax .

Well, reading this confirms I am blessed. I am 71, several years ago I started thinking about retiring and wanted to stock up on components so I when I went on a "fixed income" I wouldn't feel guilty about the costs. I scanned web sites for overstock bullets for rifle and pistol and if it wasn't a very good deal, I didn't do it. One bullet company had some specials and even free items that started at midnight one year so I stayed up and made an order. It took me years before I used the free stuff up.

I would often stop in at shops and ask what they would sell case lots and multiple case lots for. Made some good connections and now I don't even know if I can shoot all I have laid up which is a good problem to have. I am probably going to move some large pistol primers as I don't shoot large much.

Now to the current prices. I picked up some Winchester Small Pistol primers (they had all large and small) for $59/1,000. I have an old case of Winchesters but haven't shot many of them but I hope they are better that the unfired Winchester 22's that liter our range floor with a mark where they were struck and didn't go off.

I have the same thoughts - I don’t reload much any more. I still have pre-panic components, but instead of reloading everything, I save it for hard to get loads - primarily target wadcutter stuff. At the current price of components, I question that it makes sense to reload for easily obtainable ammo such as hardball .45 auto. I also don’t have the time to shoot as much as I used to, nor as nice a range. I miss the outdoor range in Cincinnati.

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Academy in Waco has CCI primers at 79.95 per 1000

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After dealing with all the shortages etc over the last 60 years or so I thought that primer prices would have settled out to about 65 by now...but no joy. This shortage/price increase is different than any previous happenings...but the basics have changed. One company owns 3 primer makers...One company owns at least the distribution rights of 5 powder companies and the other company is making military powders for other non US companies