I saw a friend of mine revolver that fired a magnum load with a bullet in the forcing cone. The gun is fine and works fine. It is a 629 and did not explode, and still works fine. I wonder how strong the frame is to withstand something like that. Has anyone had similar experiences?
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Squib load in 44 mag and no explosion
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robertrwalsh
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If the "old" bullet was in the forcing cone it would have an advantage in that there was not air compression which might bulge the barrel. It would however be very hard on the gun as you are effectively doubling the bullet weight with a magnum charge behind it. I expect the gas blowout thru the B/C gap would have been "interesting."
As an aside, that is/was the official S&W emergency clearance procedure that was taught to peace officers in the unlikely event you got a squib jamming the cylinder and preventing rotation of the cylinder. You hold the cylinder latch forward and then beat the right side of the cylinder against something hard, like a concrete curb or a solid car bumper. That would eventually shear the bullet in half, leaving half in the forcing cone. You then close the cylinder and shoot. The "new" bullet will blow the "old" half bullet down the barrel along with the new bullet. Very hard on the gun but it works.
As an aside, that is/was the official S&W emergency clearance procedure that was taught to peace officers in the unlikely event you got a squib jamming the cylinder and preventing rotation of the cylinder. You hold the cylinder latch forward and then beat the right side of the cylinder against something hard, like a concrete curb or a solid car bumper. That would eventually shear the bullet in half, leaving half in the forcing cone. You then close the cylinder and shoot. The "new" bullet will blow the "old" half bullet down the barrel along with the new bullet. Very hard on the gun but it works.
stansdds
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Has not yet happened to me and I've been shooting guns for over 40 years. If it was known that there was a bullet stuck in the forcing cone, why did your friend fire another round? With a bullet stuck in the barrel, I find it hard to believe that firing another full power magnum round would not cause some sort of damage.
Doug M.
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Of course, a backup gun is far faster.
He didn't know there was a bullet in the barrel, he fired the first shot but didn't notice that the primer had ignited, he thought the cartridge was defective. He fired the second shot... a very loud bang and two holes in the target.
I thought the bullet had stopped in the cone otherwise the barrel would have bulged. But I don't understand how the frame can be so resistant. But look at this gun, after this I'm not surprised by anything anymore
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STORMINORMAN
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The "squib" would have had to have cleared the cylinder for the following shot. If actually "... in the forcing cone", the subsequent round would have had to push it forward enough to also clear the cylinder for there to be any gas escaping through the cylinder gap, vs. being blown backward from the cylinder...
There might be some definition/language/translation issues here, or perhaps actually witnessing the event vs seeing the revolver, but...
More info is probably needed?
Cheers!
There might be some definition/language/translation issues here, or perhaps actually witnessing the event vs seeing the revolver, but...
More info is probably needed?
Cheers!
I don't buy "factory" ammo, after having been a reloader for over 50 years. In my career I had exactly one single squib, back in the days when I was following a "progressive" methodology. I guess the powder charger missed one.
When target shooting I always use a spotting scope. I recognized that the bang was more of a pop, and my scope revealed that there was no hole in the target. A quick check, and a hammer and wood dowel and I was back in bizness.
The pristine bullet (except for rifling and a bent nose) adorns the top of my dresser as a reminder to check the powder loading in every case.
When target shooting I always use a spotting scope. I recognized that the bang was more of a pop, and my scope revealed that there was no hole in the target. A quick check, and a hammer and wood dowel and I was back in bizness.
The pristine bullet (except for rifling and a bent nose) adorns the top of my dresser as a reminder to check the powder loading in every case.
stansdds
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In the picture you posted of that cutaway barrel, there is damage, the barrel has obvious areas where it is now bulged. That is the most common damage with shooting a firearm with an obstructed barrel.
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All I know is that the gun is a 629 8" 3/8 ammo are Fiocchi 44 REM MAG SJSP 240gr.
A guy said that the first shot was a "poof". He probably didn't notice the problem and shot again.
A very loud bang and 2 holes in the target.
It's my guess that there was a bullet in the forcing cone but I can't be sure. I based it on what he told me
Meh....there's still lots of room in that barrel. Whoever did this made much better use of the available space.
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Alk8944
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OP keeps asking how the frame would not be damaged! The frame has nothing to do with a KABoom so long as the cylinder is undamaged. The frame will only be damaged if the pressure is sufficient to cause failure of the cylinder! If the cylinder holds the frame and barrel will be OK except where the squib load leaves the bullet part way don the barrel and another round is fired behind it.
In the case of a squib with a second round being fired the damage to (bulge) is done from hydraulic pressure from the stuck bullet and second bullet striking each other! It is NOT from air being compressed between the bullets!
In the case of a squib with a second round being fired the damage to (bulge) is done from hydraulic pressure from the stuck bullet and second bullet striking each other! It is NOT from air being compressed between the bullets!
BillBro
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I actually had my first squib load last weekend. I got lucky in that I tend to shoot slow.
Had my no- 586 and some mildium 125gr loads and on chamber 5 got a very funny sound. I knew instantly what had happened. The bullet lodged about a third of the way down the bore. I couldnt believe it made it that far. Fortunately I had the needed tools to remedy the situation and carried on happily.
I made it 9 years before it happened, and I dont shoot any factory ammo but I shoot multiple times a week.
Had my no- 586 and some mildium 125gr loads and on chamber 5 got a very funny sound. I knew instantly what had happened. The bullet lodged about a third of the way down the bore. I couldnt believe it made it that far. Fortunately I had the needed tools to remedy the situation and carried on happily.
I made it 9 years before it happened, and I dont shoot any factory ammo but I shoot multiple times a week.
Yendor357
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How do you shoot a squib in a 44M, and not know it?
max503
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Ouch. Just Ouch.
"Official S&W emergency clearance procedure" Is that some kind of a joke? Words fail. Not a knock against you sir, but the asinine "procedure" that you referenced.
AudieMurphy
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beat it against a SOLID car bumper....Good luck finding a car that has a METAL bumper....just sayin
Rules are different when you are taking fire.
Meh....there's still lots of room in that barrel. Whoever did this made much better use of the available space.
WOW, 3 reloads and it looks like the only thing that stopped the shooter appears to be the last bullet may have stopped the cylinder from turning. Some people, no matter how well intentioned, just should not own firearms. Or, this was a deliberate destructive test which is just as hard to believe.
M5741
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Maybe bring her home and rap the cylinder with a rawhide mallet. But never beating my 57 on a curb or steel bumper. Just say'n.
STORMINORMAN
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Click: POOF!
"Here: hold my beer!"
Cheers!
"Here: hold my beer!"
Cheers!
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