158 gr hard cast / 357 loads

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I'm a soon to be owner of a 686 with 8-3/8" barrrel. The check is in the mail. I'm thinking about starting with some 158 gr LSWC from Missouri Bullet. He claims about 18 bhn that should be good for magnum velocity. I'm not really shure what the limits are, but 1200 fps sounds reasonable. I've used his 12 bhn, 158 gr lswc in .38 special at around 800 fps without any problems in a M15.

I'd like to hear some opinions on an accurate target load for the 686.
 
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I don't have anything longer than 6" barrels in my arsenal but my M19's like 5.3 grains Universal and a Fed GMM Mag primer under a 158 gr LSWC. The chrono data I've got on that load is using a 6" barrel- 994 fps. Out of 8 3/8" barrel that would probably go up to 1050+. It's a pleasure to shoot not a lot of recoil.
 
I use 12.2grs of AA#9, 13.0grs of 2400, 6.7grs of Unique with 158gr SWC commercial cast. The AA#9 and 2400 load runs 1,250 +/- a few FPS from a 4" M66, the Unique load runs about 1,100 fps from the same gun.
 
It's good to see others shooting lead. I just haven't found a GREAT way to clean the copper out of my barrels after shooting jacketed bullets. A brush wrapped with copper choreboy make clean-up after shooting lead a snap. Thanks for the load tips.
 
one more question........

I saw on handloads.com, load data for 2400 / 158 gr lswc that was supposed to have come from alliant. I went to Alliant's website and 2400 was not listed under 158 gr lswc bullet data. I just wonder why they've taken that data off the website?
 
duckloads said:
one more question........

I saw on handloads.com, load data for 2400 / 158 gr lswc that was supposed to have come from alliant. I went to Alliant's website and 2400 was not listed under 158 gr lswc bullet data. I just wonder why they've taken that data off the website?
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JMO but I dislike their web site. They do not list much of anything. I think they are ascared of someone hurting themself.

Just like they "hide" the do not use 125 gr bullets with Blue Dot. It's on the site but you need to hunt for it. Should be on the main page.

I have e mailed them in the past and they have responded with some load data.

Lee Modern lists for Herc 2400 (if this is indeed the same powder of today??) for 158 cast 13.9 start 1487 fps to 15.3 for 1620 fps. Use at your own risk. So out of a 8" "rifle" I have no idea what it may be:eek:
 
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I have a hard copy Alliant load data 2005 edition and the latest edition and don't see any loads for 2400 and 158 gr lswc in either one. The latest edition seems to list nothing but Speer bullets and when I called them and asked why the max charge for Unique went down so much from the 2005 edition they told me that the Speer bullets, which is all that they're listing now are swaged and IIRC he said that because of that they're softer and will lead at lower velocities.
 
Steve C's AA#9 load is exceptional(I go to 12.5gr, probably an insignificant difference as velocity run is about the same). For magnum performance I have not used anything but AA#9 for years.
 
I can't wait to try Accurate #9 in both my 158 gr LSWC's and XTP's however I'm calling every local place within 75 miles a couple of times a week and it can't be found. All I have on hand is Unique and a very little bit of Accurate #5.
 
As I recall, I cast that bullet and load it with a standard primer and either 14g 2400 or more often 15g W296.

In either case, this is a hot load, so work up to it as I did.
 
If you can buy in bulk or have some friends to order with you try Powder Valley or Widener's. One or the other usually has AA powder tho I have to admit I have not checked for awhile.
 
Wideners has Accurate#9 8lb in stock right now,along with Wolf Primers.
 
I don't attempt to shoot cast bullets that fast. What few rounds I want to shoot that fast I use jacketed bullets.

As far as getting copper fouling out of your barrel --- You should only get the tiniest amount at typical handgun velocities and Sweets 7.62 solvent will remove it easily.
 
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Lee Modern lists for Herc 2400 (if this is indeed the same powder of today??) for 158 cast 13.9 start 1487 fps to 15.3 for 1620 fps. Use at your own risk. So out of a 8" "rifle" I have no idea what it may be:eek:
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My "everyday" .357 load is a 158 LSWC over 14.5 grains of 2400. Gives me 1350 out of my 5 inch model 27, if my memory is correct. Tried 15 grains, but returns did not justify the costs.
 
Emerson said:
I don't attempt to shoot cast bullets that fast. What few rounds I want to shoot that fast I use jacketed bullets.

As far as getting copper fouling out of your barrel --- You should only get the tiniest amount at typical handgun velocities and Sweets 7.62 solvent will remove it easily.
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I've used Sweets extensively on rifles, but never handguns. Have you had any experience with Sweets damaging a nickel or polished blue finish?
 
For velocities above ca 800-900 fps I only use jacketed bullets to prevent leading. I have never been able to successfully drive lead bullets at ca. 1000 fps or above without expereincing leading.
For mild loads with lead bullets my favorite powder is Trail Boss. As a plus it is virtually impossible to double charge a case with Trail Boss. The Hodgdon website has excellent data for both starting and maximum loads.
duckloads said:
I'm a soon to be owner of a 686 with 8-3/8" barrrel. The check is in the mail. I'm thinking about starting with some 158 gr LSWC from Missouri Bullet. He claims about 18 bhn that should be good for magnum velocity. I'm not really shure what the limits are, but 1200 fps sounds reasonable. I've used his 12 bhn, 158 gr lswc in .38 special at around 800 fps without any problems in a M15.

I'd like to hear some opinions on an accurate target load for the 686.
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I've used Sweets extensively on rifles, but never handguns. Have you had any experience with Sweets damaging a nickel or polished blue finish?
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Any cleaner with ammonia it will tend to destroy Nickel. You need to be carefully with the stronger ones like Sweets and only use it in the barrel and not drip it all over the finish. I have no nickle guns but if I did, I would coat the finish with either a wax or Teflon cleaner (Break Free CLP) let dry and then clean the barrel.
 
I use two of the same loads as Steve C described above: 13.0 of 2400 and 6.7 of Unique. Sometimes I load a little less Unique (6.0) depending on the mood, and I just started loading Berry's 158 grain plated bullets over the 2400 charge. It's all good. I have used 13.5 grains of 2400 with both hard-cast lead and plated with no problems, but settled in on the slightly lesser charge. Duckbill: congratulations to both of us on new no-dash 686s with the long barrel and adjustable front sights. I just bought one off a forum member and have had it out to the range twice so far. Lots of fun, although I haven't started to fool around with the adjustable sights. I hope you're as satisfied with yours as I am with mine.
Dennis
 
"I have never been able to successfully drive lead bullets at ca. 1000 fps or above without expereincing leading."


Just switch to a harder bullet alloy. I use straight Linotype with or without a gas check for handgun bullets that I want to shoot at magnum velocities. It also works well in rifle loads up to at least 2,200 fps if used with a gas check.
 
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