S&W revolvers in 44 russian

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I been looking at these S&W revolvers in 44 russian and the prices seem to be all over the lot. From affordable to very expensive. My question is were there that many different models manufactured by S&W and is there a book i could get that covers the 44 russian revolvers too?
 
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If you are looking at the .44 #3s try "Six guns of the Old West" by David Chicoine
 
There were 4 Model 3s that were chambered in 44 Russian. The first was basically the American, modified as the first Russian contract revolver. The Old Model Russian was made for both commercial sales and Russian contract. The 3rd Model Russian was the last Russian contract gun, but was also sold commercially. The New Model 3 was the last single action gun chambered in 44 Russian. The only double action revolver made in this caliber was the Model 3 DA. I think I got all the standard models listed.

There are so many variables in collecting guns that value is sometimes difficult to decipher. Condition, configurations, numbers produced, replaced or missing parts, mis-matched serial numbers, etc. There are even fakes and foreign copies around to deal with. Lastly, general popularity issues with these guns affects value. The 44 DAs were never as popular for collectors as the single actions, so are probably the lowest in value.
 
S&W Russian and oddity

hi,
I wonderf if Russian contracty revolvers with cyrillic markings were ever used in the US?

And what do you think about this odd piece with ornate grips? The barrel rib carries the writing Smith & Wesson and there is an S with a star above it both on the barrel and cylinder. The gun was originally nickel plated.
 

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hi,
I wonderf if Russian contracty revolvers with cyrillic markings were ever used in the US?
There were cyrillic marked third model No. 3s sold/used in the US. However, the were not contract revolvers, they were Russian contract rejects sold commercially, mostly by Shuyler, Hartley and Graham. Instead of the 'обр' over 1874 mark on the left side of the frame they have a mark of 1874 inside a rectangle, an SH&G mark. These are quite rare as I've only seen 2 of them in my years of collecting Russian Smiths.
Joe
 
And what do you think about this odd piece with ornate grips? The barrel rib carries the writing Smith & Wesson and there is an S with a star above it both on the barrel and cylinder. The gun was originally nickel plated.

Howdy

Sorry, but that revolver was not manufactured by Smith and Wesson. It is a counterfeit. There were several inexpensive knock offs of Smiths made by several companies in Europe, particularly in Belgium. And some of them went so far as to put S&W markings on them. S&W even had a lawsuit against one of those companies and forced them to stop production.

That piece is completely different than the only large frame double action top break revolver that Smith ever made.

Here is a photo of a S&W Double Action 44, the only double action Top Break that S&W made large enough to be chambered for 44 Russian. There were several variations chambered for other cartridges, but this is the basic DA44 and it is chambered for 44 Russian. Compare the differences. One dead giveaway is the spur on the trigger guard of your piece. S&W only put a trigger guard spur on their 2nd and 3rd Russian models. Nothing else. Also carefully examine the notches on the cylinder that lock the cylinder in battery. The Smith DA 44 had a complicated arrangement of paired notches that lock the cylinder up.

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Regarding the original poster's question, here is an excellent web site that will give you the basics of all the large frame (#3) Top Break revolvers that S&W made.

Smith and Wesson Model Three revolver information

Of course, the bible for understanding all of this is the Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson, by Supica and Nahas. An expensive book, but a must for the serious S&W collector. You can find it at Amazon. The other authoritative book that I like is Smith and Wesson Sixguns of the Old West, by Dave Chicoine.
 
Spur on trigger guard

Greetings. I inherited a Russian and I cannot figure out what the purpose was for the spur coming off the trigger guard. Anyone help me? By the way, I will be selling this gun as soon as I can determine it's value.
 
I have one.

There were cyrillic marked third model No. 3s sold/used in the US. However, the were not contract revolvers, they were Russian contract rejects sold commercially, mostly by Shuyler, Hartley and Graham. Instead of the 'обр' over 1874 mark on the left side of the frame they have a mark of 1874 inside a rectangle, an SH&G mark. These are quite rare as I've only seen 2 of them in my years of collecting Russian Smiths.
Joe

Joe, I have one. Any idea of it's value as I would like to sell it
Bob
 
I have one which I am going to sell as soon as I determine a value,
Bob
 
Bob and ov1guy, The "value" of your S&Ws is going to be based on what the market will pay, assuming you market it in fashion that is widely advertised to gun collectors. There's no handy list of comparable sales, as these guns don't come on the market very often. Other factors that will affect the values, and the prices they could bring in a good auction setting, is provenance, % of original finish & condition, etc. Top price would be attainable from a good, widely advertised auction. Ed.
 
Hi there,

This is a very interesting thread for me. I am looking at purchasing a .44 S&W Russian Top Break DA Model locally (I'm in the UK) and I have a query.

I've been using as my reference work Roy Jink's History of Smith & Wesson. On page 132, he states; "The barrel for [the .44 Double Action] and the New Model No. 3 Single Action were interchangeable, and this led the factory to use the barrels from either model. ... When purchasing the .44 Double Action, it is important to remember the serial number on the rear of the barrel toward the barrel latch must match the number on the butt, cylinder, and barrel latch."

However, the gun I'm viewing only has a serial number on the butt. It is however in very good condition - 90%+ original blued finish (fading to brown in places) and very good bore. The seller wants the equivalent of $3,000 though!!

Any help would be great, guys.

Tim
 
Welcome to the Forum Tim. The serial number is very small and you might want to look with a magnifying glass between the "ears" of the barrel frame latch. Are you also saying that there is no number stamped on the rear of the cylinder? If there is any way to get pictures of the serial number locations and of the profile of the revolver, it would help us out.

I have ran across quite a few 44 Russians, both SA and DA, that were put-together-guns, but the major parts should still have serial numbers, even if they do not match the butt.
 
Hi Gary,

Thanks for your reply and welcome - much appreciated.

I have yet to view the pistol but have arranged to visit the seller in a couple of weeks. Here are the only photographs I have. The guy confirms that the only serial number is on the butt.

Tim
 

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Hi Gary,
The guy confirms that the only serial number is on the butt.
Tim

I would still make sure to bring your magnifier to check for the serial numbers. If all numbers are gone except for the butt, I would assume a heavy buffing and refinish that destroyed the numbers,except the barrel looks like it has an original finish. Another answer could be that the S&W factory may have had some barrel assemblies left over and sold them over the years, but a gun sold from the factory would always have serial numbers stamped on all major parts.

I assume the revolver is 44 Russian, since it looks like a short cylinder?? If the cylinder is 1 7/16 inches, it is a 44 Russian. Later, S&W made a 1 9/16" cylinder that would accommodate a 44-40 cartridge. These later guns used the long cylinder but were chambered in both calibers.

Now for the problems - if it is a short cylinder, that would raise the possibility that it is a replacement since that revolver would have shipped from the factory just before the turn of the twentieth century. In the US, all these revolvers are considered antiques because all frames were manufactured before 1898. Most late production 44 DAs had the longer cylinder.

The second issue is that I see a rear target sight, but a standard half-moon front sight. I am sure it is a possibility that it was shipped that way, but the target versions I have ran into, all had target front sights to match the adjustable rear sight. Target versions of the 44 DA are scarce and would normally command a premium.

I would say that the price is very high by US standards even if it were factory original, but I can not comment on the European market.

Keep us posted.
 
Gary,

Thank you - your reply helps enormously. It is indeed chambered for .44 Russian.

When I visit the guy, it may turn out that he's missed the 'small' number on the frame but that there are indeed no numbers on the barrel and cylinder. If that's right, given what you say about the sights, perhaps both are replacements prompted by some damage early on in the pistol's life. Or, maybe an early owner wanted a shorter barrel than the one supplied by the factory and, while he was at it, the gunsmith fitted a different cylinder (although not sure why he would need to do that).

Anyway, thanks again for the input. I think the price demanded for the weapon is on the high side, even for the UK (where antique firearms tend to fetch a good premium because of our ultra-strict gun laws). I will try and beat him down if I like the gun when I see it (but, my experience is that this hardly ever works).

Tim
 
I believe they were also serialized on the back ( between the star and cylinder) of the extractor star. It's been awhile but I seem to recall that.
 
I believe they were also serialized on the back ( between the star and cylinder) of the extractor star. It's been awhile but I seem to recall that.

I do not think this is so - I think that only hand ejectors had the number on the back of the star. My #11237 only has numbers in five places: the butt, inside right grip, rear of cylinder, latch, and between the barrel ears. No number on the star.
 
Howdy

I have four Number Threes, a New Model, a Russian, and two DA 44s. None of them have the SN on the underside of the extractor. Just checked. That was a Hand Ejector feature.
 
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