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Well, this is pretty far out of my field, but considering the rather unusual condition, my knee-jerk reaction is to ask if this might be a rather current rendition of a (MUCH) older revolver?
As to anything else, I'll suggest getting a letter from the S&W Historical Foundation----just to eliminate such a possibility, or at least making the inquiry.
Ralph Tremaine
Continuing on------------ this at least appeared to be some sort of "Russian" model. Given that, I did what I always do---dig out a book written by folks who've forgotten more than I know about---whatever.
So, going just by the looks, it sure enough is some sort of "Russian" model.
Problem #1: THE book (N&J) seems to make no mention of Russians chambered for 44-40----and I figured it would have-----if. ("seems to" translates to I didn't read the entirety of that which was written.)
That was enough for me, so it's "Quittin' Time"!
As to anything else, I'll suggest getting a letter from the S&W Historical Foundation----just to eliminate such a possibility, or at least making the inquiry.
Ralph Tremaine
Continuing on------------ this at least appeared to be some sort of "Russian" model. Given that, I did what I always do---dig out a book written by folks who've forgotten more than I know about---whatever.
So, going just by the looks, it sure enough is some sort of "Russian" model.
Problem #1: THE book (N&J) seems to make no mention of Russians chambered for 44-40----and I figured it would have-----if. ("seems to" translates to I didn't read the entirety of that which was written.)
That was enough for me, so it's "Quittin' Time"!
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I believe you have an original production 2nd model Russian.
If it is now in 44-40 smooth bore then it has been altered.
It has also been altered for a shoulder stock. The grips have been monkeyed with IMO. It appears to been in pretty fine condition in spite of the alterations. I cannot say if the finish is original based on the pics.
I like it
If it is now in 44-40 smooth bore then it has been altered.
It has also been altered for a shoulder stock. The grips have been monkeyed with IMO. It appears to been in pretty fine condition in spite of the alterations. I cannot say if the finish is original based on the pics.
I like it
Jim Watson
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Appearance is a Second Model Russian cut for shoulder stock.
But .44-40 smoothbore is Something Entirely Different.
Are you in the UK as your alias would suggest?
I am guessing that it was altered to shot under some provision of English gun law.
But .44-40 smoothbore is Something Entirely Different.
Are you in the UK as your alias would suggest?
I am guessing that it was altered to shot under some provision of English gun law.
rickyt
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Doing a little searching I find a similar model to the OP's pistol but it comes up as a model 3 Russian.
mmaher94087
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The 2nd Model Russian has a 1 7/16" cylinder. Most likely the revolver is chambered for the .44 Russian cartridge.
mmaher94087
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rickyt, the 3rd Model Russian shown above has several differences although they look very similar. The obvious differences are the forged-with-the-barrel front sight and the large cylinder retaining screw on the top strap of the barrel.
opoefc
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Looks like a 2nd mod. Russian. Alteration like this were used by collectors of birds for museums, etc , as it could shoot the .44 Cal. shot cartridges which would kill a bird w/o mangling it beyond research needs.
As stated, a Model 3 Russian, 2nd Model or Old Model 3 Russian. The stocks just do not look right and may not be original. The stamping "Russian Model" indicates that the revolver was made for the commercial market, not Russia. Problem is that Roy Jinks book states that the commercial guns were made in serial number range 32,800 to 39,000. Another batch from 1 to 9,000 were stamped "Reissue July 25, 1871". This is a large and heavy revolver, with a frame large enough to make it difficult to cock the hammer when shot with one hand. Several were cut at the factory for a shoulder stock and cut twice on the backstrap and once on the butt so looks like factory work.
2nd Model has a short chamber that makes it impossible to chamber standard 44 Winchester, plus the chamber would have two step-down rings. Check closely and let us know what you see in the chambers.
Lastly, there were three different 44 Russian Models. The First Model which was the same as the Model 3 American, the 2nd Model which had the long ejector rod housing, and the 3rd Model which had a shortener barrel and ejector rod housing. The picture shows a 3rd Model on top, a 2nd Model in the middle and a 1st Model at the bottom.
2nd Model has a short chamber that makes it impossible to chamber standard 44 Winchester, plus the chamber would have two step-down rings. Check closely and let us know what you see in the chambers.
Lastly, there were three different 44 Russian Models. The First Model which was the same as the Model 3 American, the 2nd Model which had the long ejector rod housing, and the 3rd Model which had a shortener barrel and ejector rod housing. The picture shows a 3rd Model on top, a 2nd Model in the middle and a 1st Model at the bottom.
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As stated, a Model 3 Russian, 2nd Model or Old Model 3 Russian. The stocks just do not look right and may not be original. The stamping "Russian Model" indicates that the revolver was made for the commercial market, not Russia. Problem is that Roy Jinks book states that the commercial guns were made in serial number range 32,800 to 39,000. Another batch from 1 to 9,000 were stamped "Reissue July 25, 1871". This is a large and heavy revolver, with a frame large enough to make it difficult to cock the hammer when shot with one hand. Several were cut at the factory for a shoulder stock and cut twice on the backstrap and once on the butt so looks like factory work.
2nd Model has a short chamber that makes it impossible to chamber standard 44 Winchester, plus the chamber would have two step-down rings. Check closely and let us know what you see in the chambers.
Lastly, there were three different 44 Russian Models. The First Model which was the same as the Model 3 American, the 2nd Model which had the long ejector rod housing, and the 3rd Model which had a shortener barrel and ejector rod housing. The picture shows a 3rd Model on top, a 2nd Model in the middle and a 1st Model at the bottom.
Nice looking bunch of irons
