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How cheap would it have to be?
To get you to buy an M&P 2" Victory model that has a non-factory nickel plate job and has been bored for 38 special?
The finish is about 80% or so, but the bad thing is that some roll marks (barrel) have been polished completely off, and the rest - like the S&W shield - are pretty faint.
Mechanically it seems fine, no push off, or appreciable end shake, lockup seemed good.
So how cheap would it need to be for you to take it home? Anybody ever had an luck replacing a bored cylinder with a standard 38 special? Or would that take too much hand fitting on one of these older ones?
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i would not be interested in the described revolver.....more than likely, the victory model in question did NOT leave the factory with a two inch barrel and has been cut down and reworked.......
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I would not be interested in it either; agree with vytoland that the barrel has probably been cut along with the refinish. Not that I haven't bought one much like this in the past. . . . Think I paid about $100 for it but that was maybe fifteen years ago. After I figured out all the issues, traded it off for about what I paid for it. . .and was happy with the "education" I'd gotten. Good luck.
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I would be willing to pay $150 for sure.
Would NOT try to replace cylinder.
As said above it has probably already be "overhauled".
My thinking is that it will still be reliable and go BANG when needed.
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If the hammer and trigger were plated, then its parts as a whole are not worth much either. When they cut the barrel to 2 inches, the cylinder latch does not usually work well since there is no barrel lug left on the barrel. Probably has ****** stocks too. At best, it might make a tackle box gun if it was safe to shoot.
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If this is a a British one that was originally in 38 S&W and originally had a 5 inch barrel and now has a 2 inch barrel this means it no longer has the forward locking lug. Most would consider it a parts gun now especially with the heavy polishing maybe $100-125 to me. Pictures would be very helpful .
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If I wanted a cheap gun to keep under the front seat of a pickup truck or a throwaway, maybe $100 if no paperwork was involved. And only if I was certain it had no mechanical problems.
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Gotta be worth a c note.
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I would not accept it as a gift. It literally has zero value IMO.
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It might be worth something for teaching yourself how to disassemble / reassemble a S&W. And / or could be a donor gun you could glean parts off for use on a more worthy revolver.
You didn't mention stocks, which might be worth something.
I would have to see it, but all in all, maybe $50 to $100.
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If this is a a British one that was originally in 38 S&W and originally had a 5 inch barrel and now has a 2 inch barrel this means it no longer has the forward locking lug. Most would consider it a parts gun now especially with the heavy polishing maybe $100-125 to me. Pictures would be very helpful .
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It is definitely a Victory model originally chambered for 38 S&W. I tried both a 38 S&W and a 38 Special round and both dropped right in.
I don't think the barrel has been cut down. The front sight looked normal for an M&P as far as I can recall.
I'll have to take another look at it to see about the hammer and trigger finish. I didn't look at it that hard.
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I wouldn't pay more than about 50 bux for such a gun, and even then, only if I could be convinced it was legal and mechanically solid.
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I wouldn't pay more than about 50 bux for such a gun, and even then, only if I could be convinced it was legal and mechanically solid.
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Well, since it is for sale in a retail shop I think the legal part is pretty well covered.
As for the mechanical condition, I didn't see any glaring problems, but would want to look it over a lot more closely.
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If I could get it for under $100 I would see how nice a K frame 32 S&W I could make it. Sleeve the cylinder and barrel and adapt the extractor. Even if it didn't come out perfect I would learn for another attempt.
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I don't think the barrel has been cut down. The front sight looked normal for an M&P as far as I can recall.
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A 2" barrel on a .38 S&W is not original. No ifs and buts about it. If it does not have a front locking lug, it's cut, no matter how good the front sight looks. If it does have the lug, it's a replacement barrel.
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Some of those turkeys were rechambered with a 3/8" drill. Your time and ammunition or reloading components budget is more wisely spent on a police surplus Model 10.
That said, if you would otherwise spend the time in a bar then this "investment" will put you money ahead. An old friend buys junky little pistols that he does not expect to feed, diagnoses, then fixes them only to sell them at a loss. He's a mechanical engineer by trade and seeks the challenge. To each their own.
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A 2" barrel on a .38 S&W is not original. No ifs and buts about it. If it does not have a front locking lug, it's cut, no matter how good the front sight looks. If it does have the lug, it's a replacement barrel.
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I was thinking it looked about like this one - and that it was a 38 S&W.
Pre-War 2" M&P
Is that one a 38 special?
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Again, if it has been cut there will be no front locking lug on the barrel.
If so and rechambered and heavily buffed and plated I wouldn't want
to shoot it so it couldn't be cheap enough. Better to apply the price
toward a gun that's solid and safe to fire.
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I was thinking it looked about like this one - and that it was a 38 S&W.
Pre-War 2" M&P
Is that one a 38 special?
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If it has that type of barrel, it's a replacement barrel. Only the .38 Special version of the Victory model was produced with an original 2" barrel in limited quantity.
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What did the rare 1935 .38 special M&P that you posted a link to ever do to deserve being mentioned in a thread about a reamed and hacked former British service revolver? Wash your mouth out with soap!
There were some Victory or pre-Victory .38 special snubs but you'd be extremely lucky to find an original cheap.
Due to lack of space for the patent #s & dates between the front sight and frame 2" pre-Model 10s and their predecessors have them on the right side of the barrel and two lines of writing on the left side of the barrel, one over the other.
Good, if not so historic, surplus Model 10 snubs are not that hard to find.
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I wouldn't pay anything for it.
Not sure if I would take it for free.
Not a gun I would want in my house.
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Yeah, but I'm sure this isn't one of those - if it were the previously mentioned 38 S&W wouldn't have dropped into the chamber, right?
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And I'm thinking that may be how this one was before buffing. The photos of the previously mentioned 1935 M&P <gasp - how dare I mention it again in this thread? > showed those roll markings as being very small and shallow - which would explain their not surviving the buffing prior to plating.
I'm thinking Absolom may have hit on the answer. The barrel has probably been replaced. I'll go take another look at it just for grins. If it could be had cheaply enough I was thinking I might pick it up just as a curiosity and/or truck/tacklebox gun.
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My LGS sold one a couple of weeks ago for $75.00.
I was not interested.
The guy that bought it knew what he was getting.
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I wouldn't want it for free,given the road time necessary for me to add it to my license....(It could be one that's missing the front latch for the extractor rod too.)
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If it is a 2" replacement barrel (ie not a hack job) the barrel itself should be worth something. Then there are the stocks which we haven't heard about, and the other parts.
If worse came to worse, you could part it out for maybe $100.
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