The first is a Model 36 flat latch. Looking for value and year of production. They're asking $550.

The second is marked 32 Winchester CTG on the left side of the barrel. The serial numbers I found matched. Looking for model, value, and year of production. Forgot to write down the price but I think it was $399.

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I don't know anything about the 3rd one and couldn't find a serial number. Not sure what stocks are on it...didn't see any markings. Finish is pretty rough but it locks up good and there is no cylinder walk. Don't remember the price on it.

Any info/advice is greatly appreciated!

Later!

Simi

Sorry. For some reason the other pix didn't post. This is the model 36. The serial number is 173633.

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Simi

This is the third one.

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Simi

Way too high for the M36 unless it is 95% plus. I buy nice 90% ones from the late 1950's in the $300 range all the time. The one you have pictured appears to be a 32-20 from the teens. It appears to be pretty well beat up. Maybe a $200 gun. The 32-20 Smith was discontinued around 1920. They were apparently bought to be used until they were used up. I haven't seen a nice one in more years than I can count. The one I got last year for $250 was around 85%, and I was pleased to get it. Always on the look out for a 95% Smith 32-20, but no luck yet. Wow, now I see all your pictures. This pawn shop appears to be a junk shop. I buy guns like these in the $150 range when and if I have a friend or family member who wants a cheap car gun. Of course, I always clean, check, and restore the gun before selling it (for what I paid) to a friend.

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Dr. B

The third one appears to be a standard .38 Military & Police, most likely a model 10-5 from the '60s to '70s. The finish is really worn and I would not be surprised if the hammer stud (or pivot pin for the hammer) has been replaced, as you usually don't see the end near the thumb piece on an original gun as it is polished flat. Aftermarket stocks too. A $200 shooting gun to me.

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

I don't know about the others, but $550 is a ridiculous price for the Chiefs Special in your photos -- lots and lots of wear on those stocks. DocB usually gets far better deals than I find, but I just picked up a 4-screw 1954 square butt Chiefs in a bit better condition than the one pictured for $280 OTD (blind squirrel, and all that).

There are lots of Chiefs out there... patience required!

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Bob

Local shop has two, flat latch 36s. Both in 95% or better. On at $599, the other at $549...and in know there is room to move on those prices, so I'd say the one you're looking at it too high by at least $200.

Robert

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Robert
SWCA #2906, SWHF #760

All way over-priced imho!

I agree with the consensus: these are beat and over-priced. I'm betting you can do better that that place, on your local Armslist.
Now, feel free to click the 'thanks' button for all the people that took the time to respond to your request for advice.

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All prices are spot on. My question, why do you want them?

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Mike 2796
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The third one looks in pretty sad shape, but without knowing the price, no one can say if it's worth it as a project gun / one to learn disassembly / reassembly on. Could you get the guy to flip the tag over?

The stocks look like they have been rather clumsily adapted from some other make of handgun (Colt?) That really makes you wonder what other butchery may have gone on. I think $200 is too high for me. The pawnshop owner probably wants at least twice that so it may not be worth bothering with any further.

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MUCH THANKS to everyone for their info! I was working under the assumption that they were all overpriced simply because many pawn shops like to get high retail for everything they sell. I just had no idea how overpriced because I'm still VERY new to buying used S&Ws. I really have no interest in the Model 10, I was just looking for confirmation of what I was already thinking. The 32 Winchester is a model I had never seen before and although it doesn't have the beauty of a safe queen, it feels mechanically like it would be a good shooter; a novelty. The Chief is what really caught my eye. I dont have a flat latch of any kind or a square butt snubby. I have a weakness for pocket pistols/revolvers and this would add a flat latch and square butt to my growing collection with one purchase. Condition makes it a shooter which is what I almost always look for. I'm pretty sure, after checking ammo prices, I'm gonna pass on the 32. Thanks again to everyone for your input!

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Simi

Simi

As an after-thought, when looking at these older S&W's, particularly the 32-20, check the rear face of the cylinder, and the flat under the barrel, for the serial number. If present and if it matches the number on the butt, then the cylinder and barrel are most likely original to the gun. Not always, but usually.

The 32-20, with serial number 56196, was probably shipped late 1914 or early 1915. It shows lots of surface wear, including the grips, but all in all is not that bad. It has the barrel patent date roll marking on the right side of the barrel, which would be correct for a 4" gun shipped 1914 - 1915. The 32-20's did suffer from black powder corrosion in the bore, so if you do follow up on the gun, check out the bore, and also the cylinder charge holes. Sometimes these guns were not cleaned very well.

Mike Priwer

If you check GunBroker, you can get a fairly good idea of prices these are moving at (actual sales, not asking price). It's unusual for an ordinary Model 36 or Chiefs Special in average used condition to sell for much over $350, and often will sell for less. It seems that around $375 is the choking point for many purchasers. Mine is much less than that.

Thank you mikepriwer and DWalt...good info to have. I went back and made an offer of $250 on The Chief, but was told $525 firm so it's still there. Probably just save my money and look around online. Again, I appreciate ALL the input/info. This appears to be the perfect place for a beginner collector.

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Simi

Some shops are funny. They look in the book and call guns like the two older K frames "good" and price accordingly. "Looks good for a 100 year old gun."

This 100 year old gun was $500 earlier this year. 90%-ish in my opinion. In the same case was a late 1940s M&P in maybe 60% shape with a $399 tag on it, I wouldn't have paid $200 for it.

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Yeah hkc. . .now that is a good looking gun. Very hard to find RB and look at those grips. . .wow! I bought its 100 year old twin last week. They must have been separated at birth.

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Dr. B

That's a beauty!
What serial number range, please?
Since it has a rebound slide, it is at least a 1905-1st, mechanically speaking, so no need for anyone to tell me it's a 1902.
Go argue with Neal & Jinks.

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Lee Jarrett

S/N is in the 275xxx range. I'm being coy but I probably posted the whole S/N somewhere on this site. Was told by multiple people it's almost certainly a 1917 gun.

The bore and inside of the gun confirmed the pawn shop sales story that this was a sock drawer gun. Bore was full of lint and the inside of the frame was dry and dusty. A few dings and scrapes on the finish.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread with my M&P! Just wanted to show there are a few nice ones out there, even at pawn shops. Most pawn shops I go into have a M&P or two with head-scratching price tags on them. I tried to beat up one shop earlier this year with a late '40s/early '50s M&P snub priced at $550. It had very little finish, bad but original grips, and someone had chromed and jeweled the hammer and trigger. I said it was a good candidate for a refinish and offered $300. They countered with $450 as their rock bottom price and I left. After confirming it worked I would have sent it to Robar and had a terrific belly gun. Oh well!

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