Various Screwdrivers I dug up - Need some ID help

Hello all, I went through my stash of screwdrives and came up with several different styles.

Some of these such as #7 and #8 I am not familiar with but I believe the rest are S&W tools.

Your help with ID and possibly value would be appreciated.

Tom,
There is at least one lengthy thread on the SAT's in this forum with pictures of all the screwdrivers...at least, IIRC, it had pictures before the Photobucket debacle. There is also some writeup in SCSW 4th Ed. I'll see if I can find that thread. #1 through 6 look like official S&W SAT's to me. Don't know about 7 & 8. The blue SAT's came in 8 and 9 row versions, BTW.

Looks you about got one of each. Nice collection . . .

Well, I found it. It's in the Expert Threads which cannot be accessed any longer. Clicking on one of those threads just takes you to the top of the forum. Do an advanced search on "SAT+screwdriver" and you'll get many pages of previous threads on this topic.

#6 is an expensive prewar SAT for adjustable sighted guns. Last one I recall sold for about $3-400?

Courtesy of RKmesa.....

Here's what I have - updated from the one Terry posted above.

# 7 and 8 look like screwdrivers that came with some brands of sewing machines.

#8 looks a lot like the one at the International Sewing Machine Collectors Society website:
Singer Sewing Machine Screwdrivers
And, from the bizarre coincidences department, just the other day I happened to run across one exactly like that in a box of odd screwdrivers and wondered what the heck it was. Thanks!

Thank you. Interesting.

All the Singers I have use a regular handle in alum or plastic and marked Singer.

And thx for the link. Looks like they are marked Singer on one side of the blade tip.

That's the most (only) research I've done on sewing machines to date.

THREEDFLYER said:

Hello all, I went through my stash of screwdrives and came up with several different styles.

Some of these such as #7 and #8 I am not familiar with but I believe the rest are S&W tools.

Your help with ID and possibly value would be appreciated.

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If I'm not mistaken, the #7, and #8, are Singer Sewing Machine screw drivers.

Redundant, already established w/o doubt. You didn't read the thread.

You are still missing the round keychain type SAT that came along fairly late (just before the little plate type?) and the very early brass handled ones. Roy Jenks did an article about early tools in an early copy of the SWC Journal, perhaps in the late '70s or early '80s.

froggie

In post number 7, I would challenge that number 3, is postwar for kit guns. The SAT for the .22/32 HFT's requires a very tiny tip as the screws are very small and I think that one could have come with those as well in 1911.

I'm taking the liberty of posting this SAT use chronology from the SAT Commentary with credit to the author since it's not currently accessible and I had copied it long ago just in case of this very circumstance. I have added a few exceptions and notes from my research and observations:


Sight Adjustment Tool Identification (screwdrivers)
Posted 06-19-2010 at 10:23 PM by firearmsunlimited
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SMITH & WESSON SIGHT ADJUSTMENT TOOLS (screwdrivers)

1881-1920: One of the early issued tools was a screwdriver with a hollow brass handle that contained four (4) interchangeable blades, used from about 1880 to about 1920. Earliest pieces were non-plated brass followed by a nickel plated version. Late versions had a smaller diameter handle and knurled nut added to hold the blade in place when it was inserted into the handle. This style S.A.T. was an accessory (optional) item.

1899-1902 estimated: Maple handle with blued steel shaft and hollow ground blade. The S.A.T. pictured was documented as being shipped with a .38 H.E. M&P 1st Model Target.

1921-1939: Nickel handle with (7) bands of knurling, black shaft, and long tapered narrow blade. These S.A.T.s are 2/3 the size of the next nickel S.A.T. below.

1940-1948: Nickel plated steel knurled handle with (9) bands of knurling, black shaft and long tapered blade.
Note: These go back to 1940 because they were first issued with pre WWII 2nd Model K-22s (K22/40 1st Model Masterpiece) which was the only pre war model and first fitted with micro click style sights.

1947-1958: Black steel knurled handle with (8) or (9) bands of knurling, black oxide shaft and long tapered blade. Variations: At least two (8 & 9 bands) post war variations exist specifically for the pre 1950 K and N frame Transitional Target models, pre 1953 Transitional Kit Gun, and 1957 Transitional .32 Reg Police Target Model that all used a pre war style sight. This S.A.T. has a long tapered blade with the very narrow tip to fit the pre war style sights and the reason they go all the way to 1958.
Exception: A few of these S.A.T.s may have been issued before 1947 with latest shipped pre WWII 2nd Model K-22s (K22/40 1st Model Masterpiece).

1956-1960: Aluminum knurled handle with (8) or (9) bands of knurling, black oxide shaft and long tapered blade.

1960-1964: Aluminum fluted-handle, black oxide shaft and long tapered blade.

1964-1988: Aluminum fluted-handle, black oxide shaft and short hollow ground blade.

1988-1991: Flat circular nickel plated steel keychain style with (4) blades.

1991-Present: Flat oval blued steel keychain style with (2) blades.

That is some great stuff Jim, thanks for posting!!

JSR III said:

In post number 7, I would challenge that number 3, is postwar for kit guns. The SAT for the .22/32 HFT's requires a very tiny tip as the screws are very small and I think that one could have come with those as well in 1911.

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James:

I'll accept that challenge - See photos below. It is for the post-war Kit Guns that came with the pre war sights (some folks refer to them as "Transitional" as they are post-war guns produced with pre-war parts)...





My guess is that the the 1920-30's pre-war kit guns and .22/32 HFT's came with #6 in the OP's photo.

I can verify that target guns I bought new during the 1950s came with screwdrivers that look like #s 3 & 4 in the original post. I have one type # 2 that came with a later purchase.

I did it again.

Hondo44 said:

Redundant, already established w/o doubt. You didn't read the thread.

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Sorry about that.

1925 – 1936 The 4th Model Single Shot Target, (Straight Line Target) was issued with this SAT, unique to this model (possibly the cleaning rod as well), and rarely seen. Made by The L.S. Starrett Co. in Athol Mass., U.S.A. Provided by HM Pope.


Photo by Modelof1891