Hello, I need some info about a pre model 10 snub. Serial #C 3110xx, I have heard the pre term used and also victory and m&p. Can you help me understand which term applies to the above serial number. Square butt 2” five screw
Thanks much

Your revolver is a postwar .38 Military and Police that dates to about 1954. In 1958 these guns began to carry the Model 10 designation, so yours could be called a Pre-Model 10 since it has the same configuration as the short action M&P that was introduced in 1948. A 1947 M&P would not be called a Pre-10 as it had a different geometry to the hammer fall and profile.

The Victory designation is for wartime revolver production. Beginning in 1942, these revolvers had a V prefix to the serial number. While snubnose Victory models exist, they are rarely seen.

Feel free to post pics. A lot of us are fans of these mid-century two-inch K-frames.

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David Wilson

That serial places the gun around 1954. Pre-Model 10 is a common collector label for these M&P’s. It’s way past the Victory which ended in 1945.

PS: Just noticed David was faster and worded it much more comprehensively

Feel free to post pics. A lot of us are fans of these mid-century two-inch K-frames.[/QUOTE]

Thank you all for the info
I have tried to crack the picture posting code and still fail, it’s irritating especially since the forum members have been very helpful to me....and of course my wife thinks otherwise
I’m interested In anymore info available
Thank you much

Try this: When you add a post to an existing thread, or edit an existing post to add a photo, always click the "Advanced" button. (Starting a new thread automatically takes you to the advanced form.) When that page loads, note that down below the text box there is an "Additional Options" section that includes an "attach files" heading. Click on "Manage Attachments," then browse/navigate to the folder on your computer that contains the photo you want to post and select it. Click "Upload."

When you finish that process, return to the composition box, finish there, and hit the submit button. Note that there are maximum filesizes for different attachments. If the image file on your computer is over 250Kb, the upload will fail. You will need to duplicate the photo and use a photo editor to reduce the total size of the copy to the appropriate size.

There are also ways to post images that are hosted on public websites, but there is a different process to achieve that.

Hope this helps.

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David Wilson

Try this for easy attaching, no hosting service necessary:

“Go Advanced" below the "Quick Reply" window.
Write text in the window that pops up.
Scroll below the text window and "Manage Attachments".
Follow prompts to browse, select, and attach up to 5 photos from your device's photo library.
Hit “Submit Reply”.

PS: David, I’m getting suspicious. do you have a way to tell when I start typing and hit the post button just before me?

On a slight tangent; when did the ramp front sight begin to replace the half- moon front on these M&P snubs?

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Working with an iPhone and I would like my pictures to be shown not as thumbnails but as the normal size pics accompanying the text, and it looks like the file photo is being “turned” 90*

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The forum does not like portrait-oriented i-phone pictures and tips them over, so you need to take the photos in landscape mode.

“Embedding” the photos in the text takes additional trickery, and since some of us, including me, don’t actually like it or do it, I don’t remember how without inserting a “url” from a hosting site.

If the gun in question is the one on the left. That's not a pre model 10. That's a Chiefs Special. Pre model 36. With a Square butt. (At least I'm pretty sure I'm right about that) You may know that and maybe you're talking about a different gun. But just thought I'd throw that out there.

Both fine looking guns in your pics.

Members can start an Album here on the site and upload pics to it. Then, when you want to put a picture in a thread, you simply copy the local URL into your post. There are two windows below your album picture. I always copy the one in the "BB Code" window.

This procedure also works if you want to attach one or more pictures to a PM.

It is easy, and the picture shows up full size.

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Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318

This one is a little finish deficient, but still locks up good and tight. From about 1957-58, just prior to getting the Mod 10 label.

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Only a cold warrior

notsofast, there are two video tutorials in this thread that demo how to post pictures. View them full screen for best quality. Since you are using an iPhone, go get the free Tapatalk app and it makes posting much easier. Tapatalk will host pictures for you so you don't have to have them hang off the bottom of your posts. It also takes care of the picture rotation issue.


It is true that a contributing member here or a member of the SCSW gets free album space. It's a darn site cheaper than Photobucket!


Oh! And this is my C series M&P snub from July 1949. Shipped the day before I was born. Note it still has the 1/2 penney front sight. That changed around 1951, IIRC. It also has what the folks here call the "fish hook hammer" that was on the first 2-3 years of high speed hammer production. I think it is more of a "tomcat's tail" than "fish hook."

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Guy
SWHF #474 SWCA LM#2629

Early 1950s, say 1953.
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C 3110xx
It is in this production range: C277,555 – C314,031….…1954 – 56.
Based on other nearby SNs I have listed it probably shipped sometime in 1955.

I shoulda looked it up:


SCSW, 4th
1952: Ramp front sight replaced round sight on the M&P model.

(Page 494).



Split the diff wit cha, DWalt.

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Guy
SWHF #474 SWCA LM#2629

Great minds think alike. But great fingers can vary in performance by a microsecond or two.

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David Wilson

While the longer-barrel variants seem to adhere to that, the half-moon sight stuck around several years longer on 2” barrels. We actually had a thread on that some time ago. If I remember correctly, members showed 2” M&P’s shipped as late as 1958 with the old style on the original barrel.

[quote=ABPOS;140374386]If the gun in question is the one on the left. That's not a pre model 10. That's a Chiefs Special. Pre model 36. With a Square butt. (At least I'm pretty sure I'm right about that) You may know that and maybe you're talking about a different gun. But just thought I'd throw that out there.

Both fine looking guns

Thanks for the clarification, I had in my phone a pic of both a 36 and 65 so when the conversation went to why I can’t post picks I followed the above directions with the 2 Smiths you see. I realize neither is a pre 10. I’m going to work on better picture posting. Thanks everyone and standby for pics of the snubbie and more

Yep, look at post #12.

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Only a cold warrior

From the above info I wonder if I hornswaggled myself with this one. It has a half moon sight, drop tip hammer spur, large logo on the inspection cover and crane and cylinder numbers that do not match, hhmmm. Could or would this have come from the factory. What else should I check? Serial# is in first post

Thank you all for the info
I have tried to crack the picture posting code and still fail, it’s irritating especially since the forum members have been very helpful to me....and of course my wife thinks otherwise
I’m interested In anymore info available
Thank you much[/QUOTE]

The easiest way to post full size pictures onto the forum, for those of us mere mortals as to photography, is to use the Tapatalk app on your cell phone...take the pictures with your cell phone, and insert them into your post using Tapatalk...if you have a wordy post, enter the post on your computer, and go to the post in the app on your phone, and edit it. Add the pictures in the edit..

I can add pictures from my computer, but they always come out as thumbnails. When i use the app, i get nice full size pictures like the pros post.

Robert

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Robert
SWCA #2906, SWHF #760

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From the above info I wonder if I hornswaggled myself with this one. It has a half moon sight, drop tip hammer spur, large logo on the inspection cover and crane and cylinder numbers that do not match, hhmmm. Could or would this have come from the factory. What else should I check? Serial# is in first post

The numbers on the barrel, cylinder, and frame should match. The number inside the crane does not usually match the serial number on these older guns...it is an assembly/fitting number...

Robert

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Robert
SWCA #2906, SWHF #760

I'm a bit confused (not at all unusual!).

First off, Colts have cranes, Smiths have yokes.

The number on the back of the cylinder should match the serial number on the butt, not the assembly numbers on the frame inside the yoke and on the yoke itself, but those two should match.

Photos would sure help you tell the story.

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Bob

A long time ago my computer guy that works on our computers showed my how to use a hosting site and post pictures. I never would've figured it out on my own. I was clueless. So don't feel bad. You gotta learn the skill of right clicking and copying / pasting URL's. Or the big, long text that spells out where the picture is in the big bold world of the internet.

I right click on a picture. I highllight the "view image info" by bringing the cursor over that line item. I copy the URL. I paste it in here. But before all of that I download it to Imgur: The magic of the Internet.

But if a pic is already on the net somewhere, you right click on it and a drop menu of options pulls up. Like if you like one of a member's guns here, you right click and save it in a folder on your computer.