S&W Model 10 USNCPC - what's the date and story?

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Hi all,
Ran across this S&W at a local "widow liquidation sale", and was not previously familiar with them. Best I can tell, it is an S&W Model 10 4" barrrel in "38 S&W Special Ctg" and has "USNCPC" marked on the back of the grip. You will see the serial number "759325" marked at the bottom of the grip, along with the lanyard loop. From what I've read in other posts on this forum, it appears to be a "pre-Victory" model, and shipped sometime in 1941 (however, does that equate to the manufacturing date?). I also read something about British proof marks (due to Lend/Lease perhaps?), but I don't see anything like that on this gun. According to the widow, her late husband served in the Navy before they were married, as well as her late husband's uncle; but she didn't know any of the history about this gun in particular, nor who originally owned it. From what I've gathered from Internet research and a knowledgeable friend, these appear to be pistols that were issued to civilians to help protect military bases during WW-II(?). If you can tell me when it was made, and perhaps any other info about it, I'm sure the widow will appreciate it. Whether she will sell it or not is still TBD. At this point, I just told her I would clean it up and do some research on it; hence my post here. I would put the condition at 70-80% at best; so if that is accurate, what would be a fair market value? Thanks in advance for anything you can tell me.
 

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Apparently the USNCPC never really materialized, and the guns that were originally set aside for them were diverted to other end users. Some ended up as Lend-Lease, while some ended up remaining stateside.
 
Good information in the first reply. This one appears to have its original stocks and is probably worth $750 + to the right collector. You're a hard finish grader. :)

In 1941 this one was called a .38 Military & Police; 17 years or so later the extra name model 10 was added.
 
They were indeed produced and shipped in 10 shipments between March and May 1941, to the Washington Navy Yard if I remember correctly.

As DWalt says, you should find quite a few threads about these here.

They were used by the Navy for whatever else the Navy used revolvers, corresponding to Victory usage. Yours seems to be in very nice condition. It is quite a collectible piece.
 
Thanks to all who replied, and I really appreciate the helpfulness of the people on this forum. I have since determined that it is a pre-Model 10 (as murphydog and DWalt pointed out), and I also determined that the grips are original (with the serial number on the inside of the right grip). I appreciate the estimate of value, and will communicate this info to the widow and let her decide what she wants to do with it.
 
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Not quite. In collector-speak, “Pre-Model 10s” are considered to be those M&Ps that came later, generally from the late 1940s to the late 1950s. One could also consider this one to be a Pre-Victory M&P, again a collector term not used by S&W. It is just a M&P. As there are relatively few USNCPCs, it will have greater collectible interest.
 
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... I would put the condition at 70-80% at best; so if that is accurate, what would be a fair market value? Thanks in advance for anything you can tell me.

As was mentioned in another reply, I'm also pretty sure you're underestimating the condition of this particular gun. And in the context of condition affecting value, you're off by quite a bit. Just from the photos, I'm seeing what appears to be a strong 95% gun, and an in-hand inspection might raise that by a percentage point or two... ;)

Tell her not to be in a big hurry to sell it. Selling too quickly could be a costly mistake.

Mark
 
Not quite. In collector-speak, “Pre-Model 10s” are considered to be those M&Ps that came later, generally from the late 1940s to the late 1950s. One could also consider this one to be a Pre-Victory M&P, again a collector term not used by S&W. It is just a M&P. As there are relatively few USNCPCs, it will have greater collectible interest.

Thanks, DWalt; I appreciate that clarification and the terminology.
 
As was mentioned in another reply, I'm also pretty sure you're underestimating the condition of this particular gun. And in the context of condition affecting value, you're off by quite a bit. Just from the photos, I'm seeing what appears to be a strong 95% gun, and an in-hand inspection might raise that by a percentage point or two... ;)

Tell her not to be in a big hurry to sell it. Selling too quickly could be a costly mistake.

Mark

Thanks, and yeah; I'm probably being too hard on the gun. I'll tell her all that I've learned about these in the past 48 hours, and try to make sure she knows what she has.
 
One other point of clarification. As others pointed out, it went to the U.S. Navy. A .38 Special revolver with a four inch barrel is highly unlikely to ever have been a Lend/Lease unit. For the most part, the UK Lend/Lease guns had the 5" barrel and were chambered for the .38 S&W, not the Special.

Your friend has a dandy! :)
 
In case you are interested SNs 759098, 759455, and 759988 were all USNCPCs which shipped on 5/28/41. That one (SN 759325) may have also shipped on the same date. Definitely not Lend-Lease guns.
 
The Lend-Lease misunderstanding may be the result of the fact that a few of these ended up with British markings and proofs as mentioned by the OP.

Charles Pate shows one such specimen in his book (see below). But that would have been a secondary destination after delivery to the Navy, and unconnected to L-L. How it happened is impossible to determine and best ascribed to “vicissitudes of war” ;)


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