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S&W 1917 DA 45 ARMY REVOLVER and its holster
I was undecided whether to start the discussion here or the Gun Leather & Carry Gear section, but I think here we are talking about the correct historical equipment of the revolver.
Dear forum members, i'm looking for the right holster for my S&W 1917 DA 45 ARMY revolver, i have foud this nice and well used R.I.A. holster for a reasonable price ($170) but the rear mark says 1910, so i ask to your knowledge if i can consider it right for my revolver or not. Although at first glance it seems like a holster made for a revolver with a 6.5 barrel
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I think its a Colt New Army DA38 holster. It may be too narrow for your Model 1917.
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Here is the correct rig I had with the 1917 Army DA .45 ACP I previously owned. The holster is marked “G. & K. 1917 A.G”…..
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Sorry, but I cannot help you. As a new owner of a M1917 S&W myself, I decided to stop short at a box of clipped ammo, a 3 pocket ammo holder, and a very nice Lanyard. I would imagine any holster would be dated 1917 or later. Big Larry
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This was the second option, given the high asking price of $370.
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This was the second option, given the high asking price of $370.
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That holster is correct for your 1917 Army.
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What do you think of the asking price 350 euros, about $370, the holster seems in very good condition to me and is here in Italy, so no custom tax and postage cost, is it worth buying it or is it better to wait to find something cheaper still in the same conditions?
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OP, the holster in your first post is a Rock Island Arsenal fifth type holster for a double action 38 revolver. It is the final pattern used with the Colt and S&W U.S. 38 DA revolvers. It is not correct for a model 1917 revolver.
The second option holster is a Model 1909 U.S. 45 revolver holster made by Graton & Knight during WW1. It looks to be in pretty good condition. $370 would be pretty much top dollar in the US, but in Italy that may be a good price, depending on how hard they are to find there. HTH
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OP, the holster in your first post is a Rock Island Arsenal fifth type holster for a double action 38 revolver. It is the final pattern used with the Colt and S&W U.S. 38 DA revolvers. It is not correct for a model 1917 revolver.
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What do you think, for the asking price is it still worth buying it? I own a Military and Police from those years.
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What do you think, for the asking price is it still worth buying it? I own a Military and Police from those years.
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It would fit that revolver pretty well if that barrel is not over 6 1/2 inches in length. It is not a bad price but be aware the holster seems to be missing the bottom lanyard ring judging from the pictures. Does not really hurt the function of the holster, but it is not 100% complete. HTH
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It would fit that revolver pretty well. It is not a bad price but be aware the holster seems to be missing the bottom lanyard ring judging from the pictures. Does not really hurt the function of the holster, but it is not 100% complete. HTH
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 fair observation, being an addition it is better to find it complete
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OP, the holster in your first post is a Rock Island Arsenal fifth type holster for a double action 38 revolver. It is the final pattern used with the Colt and S&W U.S. 38 DA revolvers. It is not correct for a model 1917 revolver.
The second option holster is a Model 1909 U.S. 45 revolver holster made by Graton & Knight during WW1. It looks to be in pretty good condition. $370 would be pretty much top dollar in the US, but in Italy that may be a good price, depending on how hard they are to find there. HTH
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Military material from the First and Second World Wars is quite common here in Europe and there are many exhibitions of militaria collectors, everything that is not Nazi and fascist can also be found at affordable prices
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I never really noticed that the cross draw holster was so prevalent in WW I. It seems strong side carry was the thing in WW II, unless you were using an old 1909 pattern. 
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I'll join those with the opinion that the second holster with the G&K maker stamp is the correct holster for your M1917.
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I never really noticed that the cross draw holster was so prevalent in WW I. It seems strong side carry was the thing in WW II, unless you were using an old 1909 pattern. |
It is actually not a cross-draw. It is strong-side, "cavalry" carry, butt forward.
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Don’t shoot that ammo, it is highly corrosive. Nearly wrecked a Colt 1917 using it.
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It is actually not a cross-draw. It is strong-side, "cavalry" carry, butt forward.
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Thanks for that explanation Notice the confused emoji in my post. I'll refrain from comment on that method of carry.
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The reason for the cavalry holster is always given as the right hand is used to handle the saber the cavalry troops were equipped with when these holsters were issued. So it was a "cross draw design.
The Model 1917 was a stop-gap necessary because production of the 1911 Auto was deemed inadequate to meet the need.
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The correct way to handle things during a charge is to have the sword in the right hand, the revolver in the left hand and the reins in the other.
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Don’t shoot that ammo, it is highly corrosive. Nearly wrecked a Colt 1917 using it.
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...and, if you DO fire some of that ammo, know that cleaning the gun right away with WATER will prevent damage from the corrosive salts that cause problems.
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The reason for the cavalry holster is always given as the right hand is used to handle the saber the cavalry troops were equipped with when these holsters were issued. So it was a "cross draw design.
The Model 17 was a stop-gap necessary because production of the 1911 Auto was deemed inadequate to meet the need.
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Not quite that simple...
Cavalry draw - Wikipedia
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The correct way to handle things during a charge is to have the sword in the right hand, the revolver in the left hand and the reins in the other.
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No, no, no! The reins are in your teeth ala Rooster Cogburn!
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No, no, no! The reins are in your teeth ala Rooster Cogburn!
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The reason for the cavalry holster is always given as the right hand is used to handle the saber the cavalry troops were equipped with when these holsters were issued. So it was a "cross draw design.
The Model 17 was a stop-gap necessary because production of the 1911 Auto was deemed inadequate to meet the need.
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The Model 17? How about the Model 1917, two very different revolvers.
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Straw Hat, you are correct, that was mental lapse on my part and I have edited it. Thank you
Pisgah, you should check your sources. Wikipedia states "The pistol was in a covered holster carried high on the cavalryman's right side, but was placed butt-forward for crossdrawing by the left hand. " and notes reliable references are needed. The current wiki article relies on the movies as its source for the "cavalry draw" But it is just semantics, if you want to say it is not a cross draw go ahead. But please consider the safety hazards in that particular cavalry draw style.
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