Colt vs S&W Target models

Centex Bill

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How does the Colt - Officer's Model Special - .38 Spl. - 6" Barrel compare with the Smith &W Model 14 6 in barrel.

In accuracy and shootability. In value?

Appreciate your input.

Centex Bill
 
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Value is subjective. I guess see what they're actually selling for.

The Colt is "supposedly" more accurate due to the double hand lockup etc. I say supposedly because this assumes everything is in proper time etc. (for both the Colt and Smith.) Also supposedly because most people simply aren't such good shots. Take the most accurate one and jerk the trigger and see what happens.

As for shootability, now this is something real. I'm assuming that since these were both Bullseye revolvers, we are talking SA type slowfire? I believe it boils down to what the shooter likes best. I personally find the Colt SA "snappier" and the Smith "smoother". I don't know if that really makes sense when we're talking SA pull. The Smith just sort of "slides" off a bit smoother. I find that if it's been awhile since I've shot the Colt, it takes me a few cylinders to settle in. Again, that's just me. If we're talking DA, well everyone knows Colts stack. Just look it up on the internet. Seriously, yes an untuned Colt stacks a bit more than a Smith, but it's not like you can't do good DA work with a Colt.


These are just my opinions of course.
 
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The Colt has a bit more barrel twist rate also. 1:14 I think. I'd have to look it up to make sure as opposed to the 1:18.75 of S&W.
I know all the PPC guns of years gone by were installed faster twist rate barrels than factory S&W's.
 
The Smith & Wesson Model 14 covers a much longer time period of production. The Colt Officers Model Special was only produced from 1947-1951 if I remember right. Comparing a 5-screw Model 14, I would say that it is a far more attractive gun than the Officers Model Special. With the plastic “Coltwood grips” and that funky front sight ramp, it’s not a pretty gun.

Based on my limited experience, again with 1950s production from both manufacturers, I would say that the Colt might have a better single action trigger pull but the S&W double action trigger is superior in terms of smoothness, etc.

You can’t reasonably compare a 1950s production Colt with a 1970s Smith & Wesson. A lot happened to domestic firearms production in those 20 years and much of it wasn’t good. I have a 1976 Model 25-2 that looks great on the outside. However, the machining marks, etc. inside look like it was made by a guy who got fired from the Pinto plant for sloppy work.
 
I have both and can't see any difference in accuracy but I'm not much of a revolver shooter anyway from an accuracy perspective.

As to value, I think the Colt is generally priced higher but because there are so few of that specific model compared to the the S&W Masterpieces. Certainly not because it is a better looking or better designed product, it isn't, at least not in my opinion.

Curious though as to why you're limiting the Colt to the Officers Model Special?

This thread needs some pictures. Here are a couple Colts, one of the OM Specials and an Officers Model Target from around 1948 and my 14-1.

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I keep planning on taking both of mine to the range together at the same time. Was waiting until I found some wadcutters again. Then I found some and 'still' have not made it yet. Ah well, someday soon.


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In the days of bullseye shooting…Colt ruled in single-action shooting and S&W ruled double-action shooting. The actions made one better than the other depending on course of fire.

Of course either could be tuned for incredible performance by a knowledgeable ‘smith.
 
I own a few of each, and I like them all. If I didn't I wouldn't have them. They are each a different breed of the same animal.
 
I had one Colt Officers Model----well and truly breathed on by Roper's lads---and 3-4 S&W K-38's----and never fired any of them (except when one of the K-38's was my go-to gun for machine rest ammo testing----so can't comment about standing on your hind legs, and shooting either.

The one thing I can tell you is the Colt is a wooly booger to assemble---which I did only once following its welcome bath. Actually, I did it twice---it didn't work the first time around. S&W's are mind numbingly simple to assemble-----virtually idiot-proof.

The only tale about the Colt concerns my gunsmith's reaction when I took it to him to show-off. It's worth a preamble up front----my gunsmith was a WIZARD!! That said, he sat on his three-legged stool, wearing his leather apron, and puffing on his pipe----and oohed and awed in all the right places where Roper's lads had laid hands on it. Then he said, "You know, I hate these (bad word) Colts, but whoever did this action job REALLY knew what they were doing!"

I reckon that's high praise for Roper's folks---and somewhat less for Colt.

Aside from that, the Colt is undeniably UGLY!!----comparatively speaking.

Truth be known, when I decided I wanted to collect target guns---a mere 60 some-odd years ago, I chose S&W because Colts were plug UGLY by comparison-----U G L Y!!!!----and they still are----all except for that Python. Those are not too shabby!!

As to what I'd buy today, I flat don't know because I haven't held a current S&W product in my hands for a loooooooong time. The reason (my reason) for that is my appraisal of S&W's changing philosophy goes like this: In the beginning (1857) their philosophy can be stated thus: We will be successful if we build the best possible product for the price. Along about the mid-1950's it started to change---and it kept on changing. As it stands now, my appraisal of their philosophy goes like so: We will be successful if we build our product at the lowest possible cost.

I spent a fair amount of time sitting in the chair of the senior marketing officer for a company doing business nationwide. As such, I can tell you that's not how you win friends and influence people. On the other hand, it works great for increasing your profit margin-----for a while.

Next comes the question: How long is a while?

The answer is "a while" is a longer period than "awhile"-----so hope springs eternal---I hope.

Were I to be asked to consult for S&W, my advice would be, "Don't press your luck!"

Fear not! My one and only consulting gig was for a little old lady in the trucking business. That ended over 20 years ago---but it lasted nine years, so I figure I was doing something right.

A word about S&W N frames----like that 25-2 the Tin Man speaks of (^^^). I collected target guns---from the beginning to the end---the end being the end of the five screws. I had a Registered Magnum---most certainly a target grade gun, but not a target gun as I chose to define them---but a more than significant gun in S&W's history. I'd heard all the tales about them being hand made---even having been told the checkering on the rib and top strap was done by hand. (I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at that one!!) That aside, it was my practice to completely disassemble each and every S&W that came to live here for its welcome bath. (I say "completely disassemble", I didn't mess with barrels or action studs. I like to think that's because my Momma didn't raise no dumb kids. It's either that or a healthy fear. I had at least one each of every pre-war N frames. My observation was there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between an RM and any other N frame. Then (Bless his heart!) Bill Cross came along and told us it cost $17 to build an RM. My reaction was "I KNEW it!!!". Of course I didn't know it until he told us. That said, there is a dime's worth of difference between an RM and other N frames---the rib and the top strap are checkered.

The End!

Ralph Tremaine

As an aside, my first of only two Triple Locks most certainly qualified as an exquisitely finished gun on the inside-----comparatively speaking. It was a first year target. My second one came along from like six years later----plenty good enough, as in "close, but no cigar!"

By comparison to the $17 to build an RM--I had the 22/40 S&W gave to Philip B. Sharpe. When I got it, I fired off a request to SWHF for all the paperwork they had on this gift---figured there'd be a ton of it. There was one piece of paper---the invoice charging off their cost to make the gun to their Advertising Account----$14.55. I figured the 55 cents was the cost to ship it to Maine. I'll leave it to you to compare the cost to build a 22/40 vs. an RM, but $3 sounds about right to me. We can debate the hype attendant to the RM another time.
 
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To answer the Op's questions, they are about the same accuracy wise from any era they were both made. The Colt OM will be more expensive because S&W made perhaps twice as many for any given period. Simply put, there are a lot more S&W's on the market of any size.
 
They are both great shooters. They wouldn't have lasted for decades if people weren't buying them. As far as shootability goes, I'd vote for which ever one has grips that fit your hand better. Some people prefer Colt and some people prefer S&W.

S&W's are generally easier to find and cheaper so they are probably the better value, but If you find a Colt in good condition at a good price there is no reason you shouldn't buy it if it's something you want. The price difference will vary from vendor to vendor and gun to gun but they generally should be pretty close - maybe $100 or $200 more for a Colt depending if we are talking about average shooter vs LNIB.
 
I’m watching this thread with interest. I’ve had a fleet of S&Ws for forever but have recently become interested in the various Colt Officers models. They seem to be the only reasonably priced Colt DA offerings and have a great reputation for accuracy. Personally I think the Python’s ribbed and lugged barrel is ugly as homemade soap and my fashion sense doesn’t like that they’re the “in” thing since I’m not much of a herd animal. But the Officer’s Models, aside from the Special, have that great 1900-1930’s styling.

The associated history with Fitz, Bullseye, Camp Perry, etc add to the mystique for me.

I hope to find one soon in nice but used shape to shoot and find out for myself if there’s any magic there.
 
Colt made the Officers Model Target, Officers Model Special and Officers Model Match...depending on era. Many Colt aficionados believe the Officers Model Special is the best. The Officers Model Target...especially those made in the 1930s are simply exquisite and offer some of the finest fit and finish or any revolver. During the Depression there wasn't as much demand for handguns and the assembly workers really took their time with assembly since there was little rush otherwise.

I'm partial to the Officers Model Match from the '50s and '60s. Their rear sights had been perfected and are very affordable and available compared to earlier iterations. An excellent .38 Special Officers Model Match will go for $1k or less in most cases...a .22LR example is somewhat more expensive in equal condition. I have a late '50s .22LR with a buttery smooth action and is exquisitely accurate.
 
THE best shooting revolver I have ever owned was a Colt Officer's Match with the King treatment, no cockeyed hammer but tuned very nicely. That was in single action...
It couldn't hold a candle to my Marvel 1911 conversion but it was a .38. I could also outshoot it with my Model 52 Smith using the same bullets. I have never taken the time with a double action revolver to get any better than military or police qualifications, it does not interest me. I have a friend that can outshoot me double action while I use single action, any revolver...he does not like serrated triggers, I almost snookered him one time.
 

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