Marks on cylinder face does it affect value?

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I do not own this revolver but it is available for me to purchase. It is a four screw 44 magnum from 1957 or 58. Cylinder turn ring is almost non-existent and the recoil shield shows no sign of firing. The blue is original as are the stocks.

Overall I would rate this one at 99+ except for one issue. The face of the cylinder has some scratches that do not look normal to me. Sorry I do not have a photo of the barrel forcing cone so I do not know what the wear looks like on it.

My question is; does this affect the value of the revolver? If you were looking as a collector would you shy away?

Thanks in advance for your comments.
 

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JRB416 said:
The face of the cylinder has some scratches that do not look normal to me.
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Are you concerned with the face of the cylinder or the front of the yoke ??

While those machine marks on the front of the yoke are indeed heavy, they're normal. Can't tell from the picture about the cylinder face condition.
 
I can't really see any marks in the photo, but end-shake probably needs to be checked. This is a normal and simple repair that would have no effect on value.
 
Almost no turn ring, looks to have seen very little use. The very light marks on the face of the cyl are likely caused by a very small barrel-cyl gap and very light contact between the cyl and rear face of the barrel. A good thing really that could be corrected by a little stoning.
 
Elroy said:
Are you concerned with the face of the cylinder or the front of the yoke ??

While those machine marks on the front of the yoke are indeed heavy, they're normal. Can't tell from the picture about the cylinder face condition.
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Yes sir, the face of the cylinder. I'm sorry about the photo of the cylinder face but its the only one I have.
 
alwslate said:
Almost no turn ring, looks to have seen very little use. The very light marks on the face of the cyl are likely caused by a very small barrel-cyl gap and very light contact between the cyl and rear face of the barrel. A good thing really that could be corrected by a little stoning.
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Thank you. I was thinking it could be a tight barrel-cylinder gap as well.

It seems when the photo of the cylinder face is blown up, a lot of the detail is lost. My apologies.

I'm considering this four screw only for collecting purposes and am looking for a no excuses example. So that's why I thought I would seek opinions of the experienced folks on this forum. I have a 1958 44 magnum shooter, so looking for an exceptional four screw to go with my five screw 44's.

Probably not a fair question, as everyone may have a varied opinion to what is acceptable without affecting value. Thank you for your responses and patience I would still appreciate thoughts if you care to reply.
 
It doesn't take much pressure to scratch bluing. a previous owner may have put some of the scratches on the cyl face by aggressive cleaning. I have a 4" 27-2 that I bought way back around 1983 that has light cylindrical marks on the face of the cyl like some on the gun pictured. I have fired the gun a fair amount over the years and I ignore the marks. No stoning, no problem. I would not let those little scratches stop me from buying the gun. It is a used gun after all and in very nice condition for it's age.
 
Gentlemen, you are correct, I am nitpicking. The stocks are very solid other than the chip and the color of the wood is alike on both panels.
 
That chip on the right stock behind the trigger guard is apparently a common problem with Coke Bottle stocks and early .44 Magnums. It's obviously due to recoil and the design of the stocks. I had one of our Forum's stock gurus (DWFAN) repair mine before he retired. As others have mentioned, the cylinder face scratches and chip on the stock are bargaining points, but otherwise shouldn't really affect the value. The chip can be easily repaired, and to me the scratches are immaterial. Looks like a very nice 4-screw that many of us would like to own. However, if you're seriously looking for an ANIB collector piece, this may not be for you. Does the revolver come with the presentation case and goodies?
 
JRB416 said:
I do not own this revolver but it is available for me to purchase. It is a four screw 44 magnum from 1957 or 58. Cylinder turn ring is almost non-existent and the recoil shield shows no sign of firing. The blue is original as are the stocks.

Overall I would rate this one at 99+ except for one issue. The face of the cylinder has some scratches that do not look normal to me. Sorry I do not have a photo of the barrel forcing cone so I do not know what the wear looks like on it.

My question is; does this affect the value of the revolver? If you were looking as a collector would you shy away?

Thanks in advance for your comments.
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When you are the buyer absolutely everything affects value. At least while you're negotiating the price

If you are the seller of course it doesn't :)

If I were shopping for a 4 screw 44 magnum it would be one as a collectible not as a shooter. Therefore I would want it to be as perfect as possible.

However this one is very clean and if the price is reasonable I'm willing to accept a slight flaw to have a firearm until a better one comes along

But you have not disclosed the asking price to us so it is hard to make a comment on value
 
Congratulations on a fine revolver find! I personally wouldn't ding it too hard on the basis of the overall condition. I experienced the same circumstances with a pristine 29-5 I purchased in an estate sale. This example appeared to be unfired, but 30+ years as a safe queen had allowed a very slight rust buildup to form at the forcing cone. Opening the cylinder had scratched in the same manner as the OP described. A light stoning and a little cold bluing rectified the damage to my satisfaction.
 

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That chip on the right stock behind the trigger guard is apparently a common problem with Coke Bottle stocks and early .44 Magnums. It's obviously due to recoil and the design of the stocks. I had one of our Forum's stock gurus (DWFAN) repair mine before he retired. As others have mentioned, the cylinder face scratches and chip on the stock are bargaining points, but otherwise shouldn't really affect the value. The chip can be easily repaired, and to me the scratches are immaterial. Looks like a very nice 4-screw that many of us would like to own. However, if you're seriously looking for an ANIB collector piece, this may not be for you. Does the revolver come with the presentation case and goodies?
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It has the correct presentation case in excellent condition. The lining is very nice as well. The correct SAT and cleaning rod are present but the mop and brush are newer aluminum albeit like new.
 
colt_saa said:
When you are the buyer absolutely everything affects value. At least while you're negotiating the price

If you are the seller of course it doesn't :)

If I were shopping for a 4 screw 44 magnum it would be one as a collectible not as a shooter. Therefore I would want it to be as perfect as possible.

However this one is very clean and if the price is reasonable I'm willing to accept a slight flaw to have a firearm until a better one comes along

But you have not disclosed the asking price to us so it is hard to make a comment on value
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By the time it's all said and done, I would have a little over $4000 in it.
 
JRB416 said:
By the time it's all said and done, I would have a little over $4000 in it.
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$4,000? Wow! That changes the whole picture in my opinion. nice but it's still just a used revolver. Waaaay too much in my opinion but it's your money. The best time to think about selling a gun is when you are thinking about buying it. Do you think anyone else would give you $4,000 back for it should you need to sell it for some reason?
 
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