Wolf&Klar pearl grips

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Need info on the steers head MOP's I've only seen the engraving on the right grip. the left side was always blank. But the other day I came across the opposite...just wondering if these are the real deal....I didnt have physical possession to examine. couldnt check for markings on the back...thanks for your time...God Bless Texas!!
 
Need info on the steers head MOP's I've only seen the engraving on the right grip. the left side was always blank. But the other day I came across the opposite...just wondering if these are the real deal....I didnt have physical possession to examine. couldnt check for markings on the back...thanks for your time...God Bless Texas!!


'Real deal" in what way? Real MOP or real W&K? Steer head grips are a fancy feature desirable on a "Barbecue" gun so would usually appear on the side that would be out when the gun was holstered. It would depend on how the owner carried the gun.


I have seen the steer head grips, both in person and photos, on the right, left and sometimes both, but mostly right side only as you stated. Unless they are marked on the back I don't believe there is any way to know if they came from W&K or not. I doubt the fact the left side is carved too really is a identification feature.
 
I beleive that the left side steerheads were for left handed owners... as above the holster would have been on the left side. I have owned a number of MOP steerhead grips both bearing the typical W&K Roman numeral and without, but I have not owned a left handed set though I saw one at a gun show. No reason to believe it was not authentic.
 
If by authentic you mean Wolf & Klar then I think Randy's comment about Roman numerals would confirm one way or the other. I think, although there might be exceptions, that the W&K carved MOPs all had large Roman numerals carved on the inside of the grips. Presumably to insure pairs were matched.

Jeff
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Need info on the steers head MOP's I've only seen the engraving on the right grip. the left side was always blank. But the other day I came across the opposite...just wondering if these are the real deal....I didnt have physical possession to examine. couldnt check for markings on the back...thanks for your time...God Bless Texas!!

I think it w/b a mistake to associate carved pearl grips with W&K as being the source, unless you have a Smith that letters to them. Because they were more readily available from the likes of Sears (see image) and common on Colts as well. I'm a gunleather man so had to learn more about the grips of the old SA and DA revolvers because of the Tom Threepersons and his holster; and Jelly Bryce and his holster.

Likely they were always sourced from out of the country, such as Mexico or even Asia, anyway. It is my understanding that if pearl or ivory grips have the Colt medallion, they are factory; and if they don't, then they are aftermarket of the period. These, and nickel plating, were common aftermarket add-ons by the selling dealer; like seat covers and radios used to be on cars.

Tom's two SAs have a combination of ivory and pearl each (one or the other on a side); which tells us that these were not up to the assignment of LEO use. Ranger Capt. Hickman has carved ivory panels on both sides of his two SAs, worn at the same time; while Ranger Capt. Gonzaullas' 1911s had his carved as left/right, and wore them together that way (a dual safety on his left pistol).

This is Jerry Campbell's W&K Smith; Jelly Bryce had an identical one. The introduction of the .357 Magnum in 1935 (not a coincidence of the '35') caused both men to switch to 3-1/2" pre-27s, in which case they could have switched the pearls over to the new pistols.
 

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I think it w/b a mistake to associate carved pearl grips with W&K as being the source, unless you have a Smith that letters to them. Because they were more readily available from the likes of Sears (see image) and common on Colts as well. I'm a gunleather man so had to learn more about the grips of the old SA and DA revolvers because of the Tom Threepersons and his holster; and Jelly Bryce and his holster.

Likely they were always sourced from out of the country, such as Mexico or even Asia, anyway. It is my understanding that if pearl or ivory grips have the Colt medallion, they are factory; and if they don't, then they are aftermarket of the period. These, and nickel plating, were common aftermarket add-ons by the selling dealer; like seat covers and radios used to be on cars.

Are you saying that the MOP grips with large Roman numerals carved on the insides came from a variety of distributors? I know MOP grips were offered by distributors and perhaps sourced by manufacturers too, but I thought the large Roman numerals were essentially a W&K trademark. Not sure where I arrived at that assumption, from reading here I suppose.

Jeff
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I have owned and handled a number of Wolf & Klar shipped guns in both N and K frame sizes. On those gun with steerhead grips... all of the ones that I felt had been on the gun for a long time (especially wriggled "pawn" engraved guns) all had the Roman numerals on the inside surfaces. I have yet to see those numerals on other guns where the grips appeared original or early, with the Roman numerals. Interestingly, on pawn engraved guns shipped to W&K that were wearing smooth MOP grips, there was no markings on the inside of the grips.
 
Are you saying that the MOP grips with large Roman numerals carved on the insides came from a variety of distributors? I know MOP grips were offered by distributors and perhaps sourced by manufacturers too, but I thought the large Roman numerals were essentially a W&K trademark. Not sure where I arrived at that assumption, from reading here I suppose.

Jeff
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I'm pretty sure I only showed that Colt and Sears both sold pearl and ivory grips at least for the Colt revolvers and autos; and that other than that I'm not an expert on W&K. I do know that W&K was a catalogue house so I wouldn't expect they made the products they sold, notably the Brill-brand and Ingersoll-brand gunleather, which we know was made by other TX companies including Shelton-Payne Arms; and also by Wyeth, a huge Missouri company with its own saddlery, largest in the world in 1900.

Here's Jelly bragging about his W&K revolver from his KCPD days, which was due north of the W&K operation in TX. Notice the mention of the bulls-head carving on the reverse side's panel. Jelly killed many men with his .44 so equipped, and I find myself wondering what it w/b like to fire a Smith .357 Mag with them installed! Someone here likely knows. . . .
 

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As I have posted- way back, was assigned to Ft. Worth.
Hit every gun store and pawn shop in town.
That’s my first time to see the Cow Head Grips.
Just didn’t get the Red Eyes!
And at that time I hadn’t heard of Wolf and Klar.
 
Here are some probably W&K pearls.
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Those are VERY nice, but I don't think they are W&K. May be. Do your grips have Roman numerals on the back?
I have owned quite a few pair from W&K, and handled many more- enough over the years to actually recognize that most were carved by the same man. I can recognize his work, and that ain't it. MAYBE there were other carvers for W&K- I don't know for sure.
 
I think it w/b a mistake to associate carved pearl grips with W&K as being the source, unless you have a Smith that letters to them. Because they were more readily available from the likes of Sears (see image) and common on Colts as well. I'm a gunleather man so had to learn more about the grips of the old SA and DA revolvers because of the Tom Threepersons and his holster; and Jelly Bryce and his holster.

Likely they were always sourced from out of the country, such as Mexico or even Asia, anyway. It is my understanding that if pearl or ivory grips have the Colt medallion, they are factory; and if they don't, then they are aftermarket of the period. These, and nickel plating, were common aftermarket add-ons by the selling dealer; like seat covers and radios used to be on cars.

Tom's two SAs have a combination of ivory and pearl each (one or the other on a side); which tells us that these were not up to the assignment of LEO use. Ranger Capt. Hickman has carved ivory panels on both sides of his two SAs, worn at the same time; while Ranger Capt. Gonzaullas' 1911s had his carved as left/right, and wore them together that way (a dual safety on his left pistol).

This is Jerry Campbell's W&K Smith; Jelly Bryce had an identical one. The introduction of the .357 Magnum in 1935 (not a coincidence of the '35') caused both men to switch to 3-1/2" pre-27s, in which case they could have switched the pearls over to the new pistols.

Red, when I first saw the catalog cuts below, on the first one, I saw the prices and thought “Dang, those are nice prices for those grips!” Then I realized that the prices weren’t just for the grips, but for the gun and the grips! WOW!! In the second picture, another thing about prices caught my eye. The plain pearl was $11.50 per pair and the plain ivory was $9.00. The carved pearl was $15.25 per pair and the carved ivory was $17.75 per pair. It surprised me that the plain pearl was more expensive than the plain ivory, and that the carved ivory was more expensive than the carved pearl. I would’ve thought that carving pearl would be much more difficult, therefore expensive, than carving ivory, because of pearl being so brittle. Shows what I know! BTW, I will take a TRUCKLOAD of both types of grips for those prices!!👍😀
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